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Feb 4, 2013 1:00pm PST
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Feb 4, 2013 7:00pm EST
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FOX News
Feb 4, 2013 6:00pm PST
. if we took the nissan altima and reimagined nearly everything in it? gave it greater horsepower and class-leading 38 mpg highway... advanced helights... and zero gravity seats? yeah, that would be cool. introducing the completely reimagined nissan altima. it's our most innovative altima ever. nissan. innovation that excites. now get a $199-per-month lease on the 2013 nissan altima. ♪ we all work remotely so this is a big deal, our first full team gathering! i wanted to call on a few people. ashley, ashley marshall... here. since we're often all on the move, ashley suggested we use fedex office to hold packages for us. great job. [ applause ] thank you. and on a protocol note, i'd like to talk to tim hill about his tendency to use all caps in emails. [ shouting ] oh i'm sorry guys. ah sometimes the caps lock gets stuck on my keyboard. hey do you wanna get a drink later? [ male announcer ] hold packages at any fedex office location. >>. >> sean: this fox news alert. we are expecting a police press conference on the end of standoff in alabama. five-year-old boy is in fact safe tonigh
FOX News
Feb 3, 2013 9:00pm EST
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FOX News
Feb 4, 2013 10:00pm PST
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FOX News
Feb 5, 2013 3:00pm PST
, you need an ally. hello? ally bank. your money needs an ally. if we took the nissan altima and reimagined nearly everything in it? gave it greater horsepower and class-leading 38 mpg highway... advanced helights... and zero gravity seats? yeah, that would be cool. introducing the completely reimagined nissan altima. it's our most innovative altima ever. nissan. innovation that excites. now get a $199-per-month lease on the 2013 nissan altima. ♪ my >>> investigators say hezbollah was behind a bombing a bus last year. five israelis died with the bus driver and suspected bomber. the u.s. is calling on european countries to take proactive action. the u.s. considers it to be a terrorist organization. european union does not. egypt's top cleric is tellingish to mind its business. president mahmoud ahmadinejad is in egypt for the first visit since the revolution in 1979 but the cleric washed ahmadinejad against interfering in affairs of arab gulf states. iran is an ally of syria and keeping syria's civil war within its borders is the rain nato and the united states are putting pate
FOX News
Feb 3, 2013 5:00pm PST
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FOX News
Feb 3, 2013 6:00pm PST
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FOX News
Feb 4, 2013 9:00pm PST
daily use and a 30-tablet free trial. if we took the nissan altima and reimagined nearly everything in it? gave it greater horsepower and class-leading 38 mpg highway... advanced helights... and zero gravity seats? yeah, that would be cool. introducing the completely reimagined nissan altima. it's our most innovative altima ever. nissan. innovation that excites. now get a $199-per-month lease on the 2013 nissan altima. ♪ >>. >> sean: this fox news alert. we are expecting a police press conference on the end of standoff in alabama. five-year-old boy is in fact safe tonight. his kidnapper is dead. we'll bring you the latest as it happens. people that tune into the superbowl every year, they don't want to just watch the big match-up but the highly anticipated expensive commercials. joining me which ads best resonate, none other than frank lund. good to see you there. >> i got a static 46% of americans tuned into superbowl as much for the ads as the game. >> sean: i'm going to play side by side or one after another, what you say is the best and worst. don't say but this is genuine foc
FOX News
Feb 5, 2013 4:00pm EST
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FOX News
Feb 5, 2013 6:00pm EST
>> was there velvetta in it? that's it for us, we'll see you back here tomorrow before bob embarrasses someone else. >> bleed a little now or a lot later. the president you do congress to come up with a short term plan to avoid devastating defense sequester cuts. this is special report. >>> good evening, i'm john roberts in for bret baier. the white house dreamed of a specker of spending cuts to reach a budget deal. it was supposed to be a bluff but today president obama called his own bluff pleading with congress to kick the sequester deadline down the road. to win them over he offered a package of spending cuts and more tax increases. how was that playing on capitol hill? here's ed henry. >> warning the nation's economic recovery hangs in the balance, president obama prodded congress to stop a series of massive spending cuts that could threaten national security urging them to come up with a short term combo of lesser spending cuts and tax increases beyond what he signed at the end of december. >> if they can't get a bigger package done by the time the sequester is scheduled to go into effect, then i believe that they should at least pass a smaller package. >> president says the sequester puts hundreds of thousands of jobs in jeopardy from classrooms to the pentagon and defense lie lockheed martin which announced hundreds of layoffs. mr. obama said damage can be stopped if john boehner accepts the white house's final offer from december, meaning up to $600 billion in more tax hikes through cutting deductions, and cuts to medicare and other programs. >> my healthcare proposals achieve the same savings by the beginning of the next decade as reforms that had been proposed by the bipartisan bowls simpson commission. >> republicans were not amused he added his event around the same time eric cantor delivered a speech. gop leaders were clear they want specific cuts and no new tax cuts. >> there's no greater moral imperative than to reduce the debt. >> white house officials have been specific, including about $350 billion in medicare cuts. when asked why the president did not meet the it will for unveiling his new budget for the third straight year, spokesman jay carney blamed republicans saying fiscal cliff talks delayed it. >> part of what the president talked about just in recent days is that we need to get beyond this situation where we're governing, especially with regards to our fiscal and economic matters in a state of constant crisis. >> a group of literal house democrats came out today and said they want not just new taxes but new spending as part of this deal. a side both parties are far apart with a deadline looming. >> thank you. we'll get more from majority leader can tar in a live interview layer. home prices jumped in december 8.3%, the biggest surge in 6.5 years. that led to a good day on wall street. the dow gained 99, s&p 500 up 16. the price of gasoline increased overnight. the national average is now $3.53 a gallon up 17 cents from last week. >>> the justice department accuses s&p's debt rating agency of down playing mortgage bonds that created the financial crisis. the civil complaint is the first enforcement action the government it is a taken against a agency regulated to the meltdown. >> we're now getting a peek behind the curtain into the obama administration justification for targeting an killing american citizens that it suspects of terrorism. it comes as one of the faces of the drone program prepares for his confirmation hearing to the top spot at the c.i.a. catherine herridge tells us some lawmakers are demanding answers. >> the white house press secretary was peppered with questions about the president's authority to target u.s. citizens. >> these strikes are legal, ethical and wise. >> this is giving legal justification for killing american citizens without any trial. >> i would point you to the ample judicial precedent. >> this letter signed by eight democrats and three republicans urges mr. obama to produce the memos that had to had to authore drones to congress and republicans can decide whether it's subject to appropriate limitations and safeguards. susan colins says fundamental principals are at stake. >> the obama administration released all these opinions from the office of legal council about the bush administration's treatment of detainees. so why the different stad. >> first reported by nbc news, a leaked draft memo argues americans such as anwar al awlaki, the first american targeted for death, you are lawful because of their leadership within al-qaeda among other factors. >> our primary concern is keep american people safe. but to do so in a way consistent with our laws and consistent with our values. >> when pushed to explain how an american can be deemed an imminent threat with no evidence of a plot, jay carney reached for the same explanation. >> it's necessary to mitigate threats. >> the acu says there's a disconnect. >> there's no court in the united states or anywhere around the world that would accept this view that a president, one person, can decide how and when to kill their own citizens without checks or balances. >> the senator's letter is the most forceful that lawmakers may stop or block mr. obama's nominee to run the c.i.a. john brennan. he's described as the architect or face of the drone campaign expansion. >> you think it's going to be tough on thursday? >> very tough. it's republicans and democrats on multiple fronts. >> thank you. >>> arizona senator john mccain will not participate in a filibuster against john hagel but republican nomination against him appears for firm. south carolina's lindsay graham hopes the president reconsiders hagel's nomination. he says these are dangerous time and hagel seemed clueless about u.s. policy toward iran. >>> president obama will go to israel in the spring. the white house says the president will visit the west bank in jordan as well. it's released no date for the trip but israel's channel 10 reports it's scheduled for the 20th of march. this will be mr. obama's first visit to israel at president. >>> there was a lot of action on the immigration front. our chief congressional correspondents explain while almost everyone agrees on the problem there's a lot of disagreement about the solution. >> this is about trying to get it right on behalf of the american people. >> house speaker john boehner says solving the immigration is not a race and praised the bipartisan you gang of eight. >> i'm going to applaud my colleagues on both sides of capital and both parties that are working to get to solve the issue of immigration. both legal immigration and illegal immigration. >> the house judiciary committee held the first hearing into the issue this morning. a leading republican suggest tackling legal immigration making sure high skilled workers can stay. >> let's not let more contentious issues and comprehensive reform prevent us from this year, this month, the next two or three months, passing something to address what is a horrible situation in this country. that's we're training people to go back to their countries and compete against us. >> but the mayor of san antonio, texas spoke in favor of a comprehensive approach. >> further strengthen border security. stream like immigration to law abiding companies get workers they need in the 1st century economy and create a path to citizenship to bring the undocumented immigrants this country out of the shadows and into the full light of the american dream. >> some republicans say it's important to emphasize border security and be fair to 5 million people hoping to legally go to america. >> some waiting an average of seven years because the bureaucratic red tape. >> after progressives led with president obama today, the status quo doesn't work. >> we were talking about trying to fix a broken system. a system that doesn't work for anybody in the country. we were talking about common sense comprehensive reform. >> fixing it can be so tricky a bipartisan group has a meeting secretly to hammer out a deal. sources say it's expected they'll roll out a more detailed plan than the senate group did by next week. >>> f.b.i. data indicate a dropoff in federal background checks for gun sales in january after a surge at the end of last year. the ap reports the system processed less than 2.5 million checks last month, down from more than 2.78 million in december. many retailers say they're out of stock following big sales after the newtown shootings in mid december. >>> the future of a electric cars may be getting dimmer. that's later on. next, batteries of another kind. american patriot missile batteries next door to a civil war. this is for real this time. step seven point two one two. rify and lock. command is locked. five seconds. three, two, one. standing by for capture. the most innovative software on the planet... dragon is captured. is connecting today's leading companies to places beyond it. siemens. answers. we replaced people with a machine.r, what? customers didn't like it. so why do banks do it? hello? hello?! if your bank doesn't let you talk to a real person 24/7, you need an ally. hello? ally bank. your money needs an ally. if we took the nissan altima and reimagined nearly everything in it? gave it greater horsepower and class-leading 38 mpg highway... advanced helights... and zero gravity seats? yeah, that would be cool. introducing the completely reimagined nissan altima. it's our most innovative altima ever. nissan. innovation that excites. now get a $199-per-month lease on the 2013 nissan altima. my >>> investigators say hezbollah was behind a bombing a bus last year. five israelis died with the bus driver and suspected bomber. the u.s. is calling on european countries to take proactive action. the u.s. considers it to be a terrorist organization. european union does not. egypt's top cleric is tellingish to mind its business. president mahmoud ahmadinejad is in egypt for the first visit since the revolution in 1979 but the cleric washed ahmadinejad against interfering in affairs of arab gulf states. iran is an ally of syria and keeping syria's civil war within its borders is the rain nato and the united states are putting pate i don't patriot missile bas in turkey. >> as of today the u.s. is militarily involved to some degree in the syrian conflict. a u.s. patriot missile battery is operational in a turkish city 30 miles from the u.s. border. u.s. deployment is aimed at defending nate ally turkey from cross border syrian action. >> we're in a defensive posture. >> turkey is essex possessed. lasts october shells hit a turkey border town killing five people. they cannot down surface to air missiles including scuds which could be more deadly. could they have chemical weapons? >> there's certainly indication they have the capability. >> that's the red line they won't cross? >> that's why we're here. >> the syrian regime says be deployment heightens tension. the group claiming responsibility for the u.s. embassy you bombing cited deployment. others say with 60,000 people killed, the i.d. is on the sidelines. don't tell that to the 400 u.s. servicemen an women involved. >> it's your job to see the stuff coming over. >> yes, sir, it is. >> how good is the detection system? >> extremely accurate. >> the u.s. deployment will last one year but could change. they say even though these missiles are mobile, they won't get any closer to the syrian border but considering how the conflict is going, that could change. >> a special investigator with the united nations says north korea may be guilty of crimes against humanity and recommends a full investigation. the report cites nine violation including prison camps and use of food to control people z the uso opened the 20,000 square feet war year and family center in virginia. the $12 million facility was funded entirelily financial donations. spaces for wounded military personnel to get a break from time in the hospital or rehabilitation facility. >> ahead, newest projections on the federal deficit. first we'll talk about the economy and political issues with house majority leader, eric cantor. don't go away. 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>> we've asked the president repeatedly to join us in replacing the sequestered cuts with cuts that make sense, with cuts that go towards managing down the debt long term. and to this -- to this point he's not taken us seriously. and. >> many of your colleagues are saying, okay, there's no deal, let those cuts go through. >> right. sequester's here so it's up to the president to come forward with serious proposals, not something like today, another kick the can down the road. that's not responsible. the president's got to know that. >> he wants more revenues as we said. will you give him more money. >> absolutely not. you already have $650 billion in new tax revenues that have been paid. the president wants to continue down the path of insinuating taxpayers have got to put more money in when the problem is spending. the problem is spending here. we've got to get a handle on it. that's why we're asking this president. we want to work with you but lead. help us and join us and lead this country out of this deficit spending mess. >> the president's tone today, dour, threatening in terms of what may lie ahead. you struck a positive tone today in an attempt many say to rebrand the republican party by illuminating policies in a framework of helping american families. what are you doing differently that the g.o.p. has done before or is it just the way you talk about it? >> we're demonstrating why our conservative policies of self alliance, of faith in the individual, of accountability in government, why they are good policies, good principals, to help people. i talked a lot today about education, about empowering parents to make choices so we can save kids who we're going to lose from nonperforming schools. i talked about how we've got working families struggling to get through the month. how do we help them? we help by growing an economy. we help them by giving them the tools to go about their daily life, to manage their affairs, to reduce healthcare costs, to remove some of the costly taxes coming from obamacare on healthcare. there are a lot of things we can do to help families and that's what i talked about today. really making life work again for so many millions of americans who need relief. >> many republicans say the party has a serious messaging problem. your ideas may be right but you can't get the message through. listen to bobby jindal on the 25th of january. >> we've got to stop being the stupid party. i'm serious, it's time for a new republican party that talks like adults. >> so many republicans say you're getting the stuffing beaten out of you on messaging from the president and democrats, is this designed to change that? we can learn a lot from the last election. the last election, we really spoke a lot about the macro fiscal situation in the country which is not good for people but it's almost as if we didn't complete the sentence. we have to demonstrate why we're doing what we're doing. we want fiscal discipline, balanced budget because it's good for working families. my talk today was about how we're going to go care for people, why our policies having to do with invasion, healthcare, education, makes sense for working moms and dads and children so we can get to a better future. >> when you look at demographic shifts they're returning against the republican party so marco rubio is talking about immigration. would you sign on in the house to the gang of 8 immigration plan? are you for a path to citizenship. >> first of all we had with us today a graduate student at george washington university. he's in the engineering school there. and our visa laws are so antiquated we're going about vesting in her education. she's an extremely smart individual from china. she can't stay here after her degree is done. >> understood. for the 11 million people in the country illegally, would you join marco rubio for a path to citizenship. >> what i talked about today is the fact that we have got to go and deal with this issue. and i said that the best place to start is with children. we have a history in this country of not holding children accountable for the deeds of their parents. if we have children brought here due to no fault of their own and know no other place than home i support giving those children permanent residency and citizenship. >> we have to leave it there but thank you for joining us. we'll see where this rebranding goes. >>> the nfl says beyonce's high-tech halftime show was not the cause of the blackout at the super bowl but next year's performance has its own set of challenges. >>> are car companies seeing the light about electric vehicles? 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times of the day. lawmakers asked the state to repeal the law to help bars stay competitive with casinos that provide free drinks but cheers were premature. regulators say it would be bad for business and public safety. >> when it comes to halftime, beyonce is a hard act to follow and there are reports suggesting that know one may get the chance to follow her. at least not next year. various media say there are no plans for a traditional halftime show during the 2014 super bowl at the meadowlands out new york city. the first super bowl to be played outdoors in a northern state in the middle of winter creating potentially difficult conditions for performers and crews who have to asemi aboutable and break down the stage. there's also speculation a halftime show would be performed offsite in the meadowlands arena. the nfl communications chief tweeted halftime and pregame shows will be in the stadium next year. the show is sometimes more popular than the game. last year madonna's performance attracted 114 million viewers, an average of 111 million watched the actual game. >>> the latest projection of america's debt and deficits came out in black and white today but it's bathed in a sea of red ink. jim answering the reports. >> the congressional budget office projections for ten years shows short term improvements but soaring debts later. under current law the deficit will shrink in 2013. as an estimated $845 billion, the deficit, the first in five years below $1 trillion. >> the cbo projects deficits to decline from $845 billion to year to as low as 430 billion in 2015 but then 978 billion a year by 2023. >> in 2014 or 15 the deficit will come down. there's a tax increase we just passed. that combines to produce a smaller deficit. >> though the president has not submitted his budget, the cbo projects the next ten years u.s. debt will increase $10 trillion from a little more than 16 trillion-dollar now to more than $26 trillion in 2023. >> you can't raise enough tax to say pay for this problem. you won't grow fast enough to get rid of this problem. you ultimately have to deal with spending. >> after 2023, the debt begins to soar. >> after that it's going to grow and reach the trillion and go beyond the trillion. so at no point in the foreseeable future is the deficit going to come down to manageable level. >> noting repeatedly high debts are bad and dangerous as he put it because they leave lawmakers with no leeway to deal with emergencies. >> our country, we've been incurring costs and baring risks of a sort we have not in history except around the second world war. >> this is not a choice, fix the debt or the economy. fixing the debt is fixing the economy. >> tax increases and economic growth leave deficits high but management through mr. obama's firm. but entitlements will grow to more than a trillion a year. >> the five-year-old alabama boy held hostage by a retired truck driver for a week is happy and playing with his old toys tonight. 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>> i prefer not to think of it as caving in. perhaps there's time for everyone to get reasonable. i agree with charles that the president's probably been perform today make this move today by what happened to the economy already under the threat of sequester this the fourth quarter as defense spending went down. he got scared about that. but what charles proposes is republicans commit suicide. first of all the policies embodied in the sequester of liberal. they cut defense, protect big entitlement programs. republicans are against that. secondly i'm not sure the president's the only one to get blamed if it turns into a drag on the economy, rather the republicans will share in the blame. finally, if we could think about the national interest for a moment here, it would be very bad for the country to go through sequester and particularly for the national defense. i'm hoping against hope that this is -- the press conference is the beginning of a deal. >> you talked to a lot of republicans that freely suggest the sequestration goes through. that the cuts will be absorbed fairly readily. we're not going to go down in the dumps on our path to recession. do you agree with that or would it be horrible if the cuts went through? i think cuts in defense are irresponsible as president obama's secretary of defense secretary of defense said and every thinker things except for chuck hagel. he thought they were great a year and a year and a half ago. it worries me president obama is -- he's the commander in chief. it's unbelievable he's playing around with our national security this way. having said that, republicans in the house should do what they did last year, they did pass a replacement for sequester through the house with republican votes that made clear it was not the republican's preferred policy. they wanted to save defense and to change the domestic cuts paid for by other cuts. i think you need an alternative. i don't agree can charles. i think if the republican position is accept sequester the president says theories a half -- here's a halfway proposal. i don't like that position. >> there's nothing against offering an alternative. and it probably would be a good idea but the alternative has to be equal amount of cuts and no hikes in taxes. you could -- anybody in an hour would device smarter cuts. but you have to be prepared for a sequester to occur. otherwise, you lose all your leverage. this is the one time when republicans have leverage. and if they concede in advance that they won't let it happen, all the leverage will immediately evaporate. >> another story out of the white house, that is the drone program to kill americans overseas if they're suspected of engaging in terrorism. the white house defended it today. let's listen to jay carney. >> we conduct strikes because they're necessary to mitigate threats to stop plots and prevent future attacks and save lives. they're legal, ethical and wise. >> illegal, ethical and wise. do you think this will play out during john brennan's confirmation. >> it will and it will be interesting to hear democrats, liberals to spent the decade appear pa electric now -- until now have been silent about a program which doesn't interrogate people harshly but kills them without a judge, jury or evidence. the criteria, isn't even imminent plot. i'm not against it but i want to hear how they square that with anger and opposition to enhanced interrogation. >> not only that but democrats were in arms over warrantless wiretapping. this goes so much further. >> it's true. i guess i disagree with charleston again to the extent there's hypocrisy. the aclu has been consistent. hypocrisy is on the political side. >> barack obama. >> democratic politician have kept quiet but that may change. they're starting to ask questions and they should. everybody the union killed in the confederacy in the civil aware was an american citizen. this kind of stuff can happen in war but i think we need a lot more information about how they decide what the safeguards are, et cetera, et cetera. >> we have to leave that here because we're out of time. next, rebranding the republican party. will it work and can they make inroads in 2014. we'll be right back. it's not what you think. it's a phoenix with 4 wheels. it's a hawk with night vision goggles. it's marching to the beat of a different drum. and where beauty meets brains. it's big ideas with smaller footprints. and knowing there's always more in the world to see. it's the all-new lincoln mkz. prego?! but i've been buying ragu for years. 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>> let me rise above the partisan bickering here. and let us reason together. i think one way that you can unite the party, which has had major success in integrating the more populous elements is agree on the buckley rule. people will try to support and nominate the most conservative candidate who can win. if you don't try to make statements by nominating extreme conservatives who can be sort of enjoyable and outside the populous but have no chance of winning in a general election, you don't go that way. classic example, delaware senate 2010. they threw away a seat. they would have had a moderate. a semi-liberal republican but this beats a hard line liberal democrat and you might have had a change in control of the senate had that not happened with one 0 two other states. >> people are talking about the idea of a brewing war in the republican party toward 2014 and organizations like american crossroads supporting candidates they think can win add conservatives say we want our candidates to rise to the top. >> let's let primaries in all these states, people can but the in. it's hard to know ahead of time. the whole establishment was behind charlie crist in 2009. ron johnson in wisconsin couldn't win. you don't know who can win. i agree. >> aiken was a bad candidate and peanut tea party people from not for him. i have no problem with people in washington -- >> do you or do you not foresee a civil war. >> a lot of little civil wars. that's healthy. did a couple go off the rails and republicans lost seats? 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expected to begin shortly. that, of course, will be on greta van susteren's show. stay with us, that press conference is starting momentarily. thanks for being with us. we'll be back tomorrow night. >> greta: this is a fox news alert. tonight a five-year-old alzheimer's boy is free. his captor is dead. we are awaiting an update from police at any moment. we'll bring it to you live. fox news correspondent jonathan serrie is live. >> good evening. standoff has ended. property behind me remains very active crime scene. f.b.i. bomb technicians are scouring the area surrounding that bunker for any improvised explosive devices the suspect may have left behind before they allow authorities in to process the crime scene. although they have yet to confirm exactly how they did this, statements earlier by authorities suggest they were somehow able to get visual surveillance on the suspect. jimmy he dykes during the standoff. at some point he appeared agitated and holding a weapon and they feared the boy's life was in imminent danger so an f.b.i. team raided the bunker. authorities tell us the suspect is dead. his five-year-old hostage is free and physically unharmed. the boy was taken to a local hospital to get checked out as a precaution. his family is said to be overjoyed but friends said the mother has kept faith throughout the ordeal she would be reunited with her son held captive for seven days after the kidnapper fiancee fatally shot the bus driver when he resisted. a community while it is mourning the loss of that bus driver hero it's also celebrating the freedom of this five-year-old hostage safe with his family. >> greta: i know we're standing by for the press conference -- is there any information for the provocation for the f.b.i. going in today, right this afternoon and not this morning? >> yeah, it seems like throughout this seven-day ordeal they were maintaining contact with the suspect. they believed he was caring for the child and as long as the discussions were ongoing, they apparently didn't have a reason to go in. apparently this afternoon, midafternoon, things went south. something went wrong with the negotiations. based on whatever visual surveillance they had of the suspect, they say they saw him with a gun. that he appeared agitated and they believed that that boy was in imminent danger. so they took much more aggressive action. obviously they had hoped to coach him out giving himself up peacefully but they decided that wasn't going to happen. >> greta: any idea how deep this bunker is. when the f.b.i. went in they didn't have long to get him. so the deeper the bunker, the more time the man in the bunker had to harm to child and harm the f.b.i. it was quite an amazing operation. >> reporter: according to earlier reports this bunker was only four feet underground. not particularly deep, but again neighbors had said this man was particularly dangerous when people got close to his property. he would sometimes threaten them with a gun. obviously, the f.b.i. didn't want to take any chances and it was only when they had determined the boy was in danger they decided to go into that bunker. >> greta: it's no surprise that this man was dangerous. look, he took a pipe and killed one of the dogs in the neighborhood or something. he wasn't charged with cruelty of animals. they should have been starting process against him a while ago. >> reporter: that's right. animal control had followed up on that. earlier neighbors had complained to police when they would hear gunfire. if there was an active gunfire. >> greta: let me stop you right there. >> the community was victimized. little did we know the heroic mr. charles poland a man that was committed the ultimate sacrifice will bring a community together and test its strength. to more poland's family we would like to express our condolences. also, our appreciation to a hero through his brave actions saved many lives. evidence is still being collected. i would like to take this time and this opportunity to thank all law enforcement agencies and first responders, personnel and their tireless hours of dedication throughout this incident. i would also like to offer a special word of appreciation to our community for its efforts and support and prayers during this ongoing investigation. this time we'll take a few questions. you need to speak loudly, please. >> was there any interaction.... >> during the investigation, you have to understand a lot of this stuff, there is still an ongoing investigation in this process. some of those questions will be answered probably later. yes, sir. i can't hear you, sir. yes. at this time we don't, everything is being looked at and still part of an investigation. we can't answer a lot of questions like that. yes, ma'am, the mother is in contact with the child, yes. she is contact with the child. the investigation, we're going to keep that stuff -- there is still an ongoing investigation. we can only answer certain questions. >> can you talk about the circumstances under suspect was killed? >> all of that is part 69 ongoing investigation. >> did he threaten at all? >> yes, we had reason to believe that is why we went in to save the child. early on an investigation, if you remember, he shot mr. poland >> did the boy witness what happened? >> we had a whole bunch that witnessed what happened. >> no, in the bunker? >> by now, we're still got a scene to process and it's ongoing criminal investigation. there are a lot of things i can't say. excuse me, i can't hear you. until we get everything done with our investigation, we're not going to release that information. >> in the earlier press conference he was seen holding a gun today. how you were able to see that. >> usually, we can't release a lot of that information. you will have to bear with us on stuff like that, okay? i'm trying to answer over here. let me explain something to you about this little boy. he is very special child. he has been through a lot. he has been doing a lot. by the grace of god, he is okay. that was the mission of every man and woman on this compound. every law enforcement officer, every first responder. all of the community who prayed to bring him home safely. excuse me? he is receiving medical treatment and everything is okay. >> sheriff, your thoughts when you realized ethan was safe? >> you know. i'm a father. a lot of these men and women that sacrifice tireless hours, they are parents, as well. it's a relief for us to be able to reunite a mother with her child. you want to answer that. >> could you repeat the question again, please? i can't go into those details but i can tell you over the past 24 hours, our communications with the subject deteriorated and we were certainly concerned for the safety of the child. i can tell you that i've been to the hospital. i have visited with ethan. he is doing fine. he is laughing, joking, playing, eating, things that you would expect a normal five to six-year-old young man to do. he is very brave. he is very lucky. the success story is he is out safe and doing great. i can't go into any of those details. i know you have a lot of questions to ask. bear with us. we have a big crime scene behind us to process. that is going to take some time. pardon me? well, we have the crime scene secured. we are going to do a complete and thorough investigation. that may take a number of days, but we're going to do it the correct way. it could be a while, yes. we can't talk about specific sources or techniques, things of that nature. unfortunately, we will have to deal with another one of these situations somewhere, some day and we want it just as successful as it was today. >> you can confirm that you heard a loud blast earlier today without in too much detail it was some sort of device that you used, explosion ear device that was used in the procession of doing it today? >> i can't talk about sources, techniques or methods we used. i will tell you that the success story is ethan is out safe with his mother right now. i can't comment on that. what i can tell you, there will be a thorough investigation of the crime scene. the important thing is that we do it right. we have an independent review team coming in from washington, d.c. who will do a thorough, independent and complete investigation of the entire operation. i can't comment on that. we were speaking with the subject. i can tell you that. other than that, i can't go into detail. sorry. >> sheriff, can i ask i, did you have any prior contact with this fellow before this incident, did he have any kind of record with your department. >> we arrested him on charges on december 22nd. to my knowledge that is the only contact my office has had with him. >> what did that involve? >> i'm not at liberty to say. we had arranged to try and get him some of those toys and things of that nature. >> when you say negotiations broke down -- >> it got really tough to negotiate with him and communicate with him. i appreciate all your questions and everything but we're really still got a lot of work to do here. your patience have been wonderful. everything you have done for us and the way you treated us. we appreciate it from the bottom of my heart because every one of you were in this with us. it's all about bringing ethan home safely. i appreciate the patience of the press and the willingness to work with us through this tragic time. at this time we got a lot of work to do. thank y'all. have a good night. >> greta: the headline is that ethan is doing well. he is laughing and joking and eating as any child that age would. deteriorations of communication which would provoked this. and fox has confirmed that president obama has spoke to f.b.i. director to congratulate him on the coordination of the f.b.i. and local law enforcement. there is still after this press conference so many questions unanswered. one of the biggest why did the gunman take that little boy hostage in the first place. he spoke with his sister a short time ago. good evening, what did the gunman, kidnapper's sister say? >> she had very little to say. i spoke with her about an hour after the end of the situation. she seemed to accept it as it is. she had very little to say. the family and none of us knew that he was leading to this, only the neighbors probably knew what was really going on. >> greta: now, you knew him as a young child in the area. i think you are both about the same age, you knew this man? >> i did, yes, and as i've known him as a child a small prd of time in adult never showed these kind of tendencies but his family knew that he had anti-government views before he was estranged from them. >> greta: i must admit i'm curious about your criminal justice, apparently he terrorized some of the makes. fired a gun and he was due in court next week and killed a dog with a pipe. where is the law enforcement. those are crimes? >> yes, you are probably right in that respect. you probably exactly right. i believe a little bit closer attention to his activities would have been in order. i can tell you this, on behalf of this community, the mayor, the city of midland, we thank the f.b.i., the sheriff, the state of alabama law enforcement all involved and they did an excellent job on this issue. >> greta: absolutely. it was spectacular job. the young child is fine. i would totally agree with you. congratulations for handling it that way. thanks for joining us, sir. >> yes. >> greta: straight ahead, defense secretary leon panetta jumping ahead of a senate investigation about benghazi. lindy si graham is here to talk about that that. a mother of two found murdered in turkey. a live report from turkey and rush limbaugh says he knows what caused the per bowl outage. who does rush blame? 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>> i think people did complain authorities. people were contend. he was supposed to be in court over a dispute with a neighbor when this all unfolded last week. >> greta: do you know what it was that provoked the f.b.i. to go in today and rescue that child? >> i don't. there was something apparently they felt very concerned about how he was act organize what he was saying. they went in. there was something they were concerned about that disturbed them. >> greta: it is extraordinary. this is such a good news story. i have to tip my hat to the f.b.i. and local law enforcement even law title, they knew he was watching tv. they were smarted about what they did. they did an amazing job, didn't they? >> they did. and people in this community are grateful for that. i have spoken to so many people who have been praying all week about safe return of this little boy. people were weeping. basically people were praying and hugging each other because they were so happy about it. >> greta: there is no script how to do this. authorities have a once in a lifetime case in your community and you have most difficult situation. the fact they reacted, they did a perfect job so it appears. thank you for joining us. >> we're going to continue the breaking news and bring you any new information from alabama as soon as we get it. now, to washington, d.c. president obama missed a key legal deadline. that and much more ahead tonight. >> today is budget deadline day for the white house when the president is supposed to release its budget. >> it's not coming. it's going to be late. >> the administration will miss its budget deadline and further criticism from republicans. some reports say it could be as long as month late. >> they have submitted a budget over the last couple years from the house but some have been on so obscene that he can't get a single democrat to vote for the budget. >> the tragic of the new york city women that went missing in turkey. police found her body over the weekend. she was killed by a blow to the head. police are scouring the area near the agency walls where her body was discovered late on saturday. >> never be able to talk to her again. it's really hard. ♪ ♪ >> did you kill travis on june 4th, 2008? >> i am innocent and no jury will convict me. >> i'm i didn't expect to be here. >> greta: all that and more, president obama missing a budget deadline for the fourth time in five years in his office. senator rob portman joins us, nice to see you. i should probably add going back to president johnson there are other presidents that have not met the deadline. did you meet the deadline? >> we did meet the deadline. it's not easy to meet these deadlines particularly a time of record debts. we saw the economy shrunk in the fourth quarter. the president should be meeting these deadlines. we don't know when he is going to meet it. will it happen before the state of the union? it's possible it won't. the budget may not go up before the house passes its budget because the house has been passing budgets. senate democrats for more than three years have not passed a budget. its record debts and deficits we would have a blueprint for spending. >> greta: it's the job and the law. i realize others before him going back to president johnson have ignored it, but the rest of it, we follow the law and do our job. why is this like it's okay to do it? there is no management when you don't meet these criteria? >> maybe because other than this show tonight, you look at a lot of pressure. it's a pattern, too. there are five other examples that i can point to that the president has not met a deadline. one is report how the sequester supposed to work, it's not done. they have missed most of their mid session reviews which is the midyear, mid-july deadline. they have also missed the chinese currency report and more recent the medicare trigger. you are supposed to have a proposal how to reform medicare. they ignored it. finally the regulatory agenda, two times a year, they put it off. finally issued two days before. >> greta: the house and senate signed a bill to suspend the debt ceiling until may. that is called suspending the debt ceiling, you raise the debt ceiling so you put a lid on what the government can spend. when you reach your credit, they will give you another thousand dollars and that is new limit. what has now happened is capitol hill has suspended that limit, now you are going to american express card with no limit and you have given the president no limit until mid may? 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[ laughter ] >> but they are limited by the appropriations process and house and senate under the constitution have the power of the purse. he is not supposed to spend important. having said that, you are right. it's a huge problem. we should not extend the debt limit again. what is coming up, it may be four to six months unless there are legally spending cuts. i proposed that legislation. it got a lot of votes on the floor but it's simple idea. reduction of spending for every dollar increase in debt limit and you get to balanced budget over ten years if you do that. >> greta: breaking news, it's an important topic. >> leon panetta saying there wasn't time to rescue all the americans in benghazi. lindsay graham is here to talk about that. and what caused the superbowl outage. rush limbaugh says he knows. you'll hear from rush himself coming up. 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>> that would mean an ef 4 or ef 5 strength with the large foundation, large structure from the foundation that is dangerous stuff. stay safe out here across southern mississippi and ama. >>> i promise viewers we will only come to you as we gather new pictures and information. we are sensitive to the fact that you are watching programming right now. we will turn you now to "the five" but update you as news warrants. stay close. >> every survey shows that every actual practicing physician hates obama care. they are petrified of it. >> where is president obama showed up that wasn't a home turf for him? ever? >> that isn't the point. >> that is exactly the point if you can't get him on your turf you will take a neutral zone. >> you stand up and say these things about obama but this is a national prayer day. >> he won't show up on fox. he won't show up anywhere with conservatives. >> he won't do q and a. >> i have invited him to my apartment on a number of occasions obama will not come. he spoke truth to power which is something the press used to love. the press you'll actually used to do it. i am not surprised steven croft didn't dive in and tackle him in the middle of this. it is like they find it so objectionable and rude to actually talk to the emperor. >> can you at this think of a s there's nothing sacred in washington any more. is there in place where democrats haven't been political in the speech. you sit somebody in the front row and disparage him and ridicule him in front of the world. >> i have never seen or heard political comments like that. what you said about what he said that's not a surprise. but look, this is something that my friend cal thomas who cannot be more conservative he's an evangelical christian i got on the phone with him and completely agreed to me that this was exactly right. >> i called kelton thomas and said he called to make it happy. you know who agreed with him? paul crewingman. they asked him how they were going to deal with the debt crisis. he said deadebt panels and heal. he said what carson said. >> let's listen to another piece of sound from dr. carson and this is about taxes. you make 10 billion you put in a billion. you make 10 you put 1. it doesn't hurt the guy who made 10 million. where does it say you have to hurt the guy? he put 10 billion in the pot. >> how do we solve the problem? is it revenues? clearly have a spending problem. another way to solve the whole thing is go to the fair tax. time to start looking at a national sales tax on everything that is sold and eliminate the income tax. get rid of it. fair tax proposal is 23 percent of every sale and what you do you get rid of the irs get rid of income taxes and go to straight use tax. you want to buy this you want this you pay the tax on it. >> very similar. >> let me make one point about obama care. you should start as soon as they are born give them a card and have them start saving, does he recognize there are millions of millions of people in this country who couldn't begin to save anything. >> a lot put forward tax credit programs when a baby is born, you can set up a little fund. >> pretax. >> i am saying there are millions of people who couldn't begin to save. >> they have cell phones and flat screen tv's in their house. if you can buy a phone you can get healthcare. >> all the doctor was doing is making a point that all doctors are making that no one understands. they are small bhins. >> he knows exactly what he is doing. >> i would have loved that opportunity. if anybody had that opportunity he should. >> brave enough to go there and speak his mind when he had the opportunity. >> you call that courage. >> wasn't it nice to see president obama look a little perturbed rather than getting a tongue bath. the grin on his face during every 60 minutes thing it was nice to see him sweat a little. >> the last time you saw that was during the debate. >> he didn't know how to handle the heat. >> we should have had a split screen. >> it kind of was a funeral. >> bob didn't like it. i think we got that message loud and clear. coming up remember the sassy teenaged jail bird who slipped the judge the bird during her hearing. >> are you serious? 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did he ever make that phone call? >> look, there is no question in my mind that the president of the united states was concerned about american lives. >> with all due respect i don't believe that's a credible statement if he never called and asked you are we helping these people. >> the questions raise more questions and don't offer any sort of answers. is america a more safer place or in peril on president obama's care. >> if you are in for the drone program you feel happy about killing terrorists but i am concerned about lost opportunities in terms of being able to get intelligence to gather information and to be able to make a bigger impact overall but it hasn't become expedient enough to try and put people behind bars and take as you refer to unfunded liability. >> are you going to innovate tunisia. is that what you want to do? >> i didn't say that. >> how about leaning on tunisia. >> that's the law of tun neisit. we can't go in there and take him out when he is following the laws of the country he is in. i don't think we have enough soldiers to take over tunisia. >> we are not saying take over but you can exert pressure to turn him over. >> i am sure they have done that. >> go to leon pin nanetta's testimony. obama wasn't in the room panetta made one phone call he wasn't sure how long it lasted. >> there is more holes in the benghazi cover up story than a block of swiss cheese. >> hoping for something better. >> i am working on it. i am working on it. on the benghazi piece we were led to believe they were on top of it it's 5:00 in the afternoon they are having a meeting with the national security team at 5:00 p.m. they were on top of it all night long. then you got the testimony no never got a call. no matter who is in office the congressional branch that is what they are supposed to do to help us figure that out. i would say i think america is a lot safer today than afz september 10th, 2001, because of policies put in place and adopted and kept and maybe enhanced, improved the obama administration. these were policies that needed to be in place before 2001 and were not and they went through the pain and agony and reputationnal problems of the years of the push abush administration. when president obama took office even because of the inconsistencies they criticized president bush before looks to me they kept most of the policies. >> he was there under bush and kept a lot of policies. >> there were more holes in his testimony than batman's hammock. >> much better than swiss cheese. >> we never get answers out of benghazi. we never get the two answers why were the calls for help ignored. we get more answers if congress went around a we guibord. they were free as the filmmaker was still in jail. there's still a man chunt for th -- manhunt for a cop chiller. susan rice is already raying the director of first blood. >> this is how saeed the leader of the militant group that carried out the 2008 attacks on mumbai, india where 260 people were killed including 6 americans. let's talk about this quickly. 120 -- 10 million bucks he is out and free in the media. shouldn't we go in and say look he killed americans we want him. >> we are not going to do that. unfortunately there's been a lot of talk about people pushing politicians to do that to take a stronger stand with pakistan because with friends like that who needs enemies. they had osama bin laden living in their midst and didn't happen to tell a friend let us know we had to find out on our own and go in. we are not going to be respected internationally if there was nothing to twhat them into doing that. >> it is a key component of that part of the world because it borders afghanistan. in order to get this guy from the pakistanis it is not as if you identified bin laden in a particular house. this it would require us to go into pakistan militarily. i am sure there's plenty of -- (talking over one another) >> the answer you might get from the administration is that it is complicated. with this guy if he is up and around and you can watch him and keep an eye on him that might be better than cutting off aid and risking a bad state. >> if you remember this crime it was one of the worth, worth things i have ever read. it was horrible the way they butchered these people. this is where drones work. um pro drone and i think if you could save american lives by using robotics, send a drone in take them out. why not. >> i am not sure why these people don't just have an accident. >> that is the point. some people need killing. you kill him say sorry after say you still want our money and aid? >> still to come, one college is offering a refund to grads if their degree doesn't earn them a job that will payoff the loans. why ivy league students are suing former students. we are all schooled up next. 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the danger of cyber loafing is the word itself. they are out of ideas. see dana's new app cyber jasper. the danger of surfing isn't the time wasting it's the crippling fear of actions that it puts in your life. makes it that much easier doing things as you watch others do things all around the world. achievement has been replaced by observation that makes it harder to move. we are creating a nation of gawkers cowards who can't speak to real people but talk cratrasr threaten violence on the web. america is spending time in the high school bathroom writing on the ball stupidity signifying zilch. it keeps them out of the bars and away from me. no one on their death bed will ever remember the great article they can send on the videos. you will feel better on the death bed. you know i will bob. i will. >> that dog keeps coming back to life. it gets way back to your life saying read me, read me. >> buy me. >> you are a sick woman. >> what would you do without surfing? that's all you do all day. you don't do any real work, dana. >> i have a circuit of my news that i read. you send too many articles to read. i resemble this remark. i have a problem i get -- >> sorry. you were rambling. the problem isn't that it is work it creates resistance to get up and do work. it makes it harder. we are spending 80 percent of the time doing things unrelated that we are supposed to be doing. >> when you are on the web. when you are using the computer 80 percent of the time the computer is doing things unrelated. >> that number seems very high. >> i think it's true. >> she doesn't cyber loaf. she goes into the stores to shop and when she is on the computer she is gathering research and sending an article. >> that's not loafing. >> some of us think the number, pornography how many porn web sites are there? literally ten's of millions. you encompass all of that. >> i think you are correct we find that in government agencies that's a big problem. do you cyber loaf? >> yeah, i guess i do. i look at like three things in the morning. >> please don't say. >> i look at those at night. >> three things in the morning that's about it. you know me i can't make these things work. one time i used the computer i got lost in the university of egypt i couldn't get out. >> that happens to the best of us. >> i think eric is right 80 percent sounds like a lot. >> you know what internet provided at work? smoke breaks for the people who didn't smoke you would watch people who went down for the smoke break and you had to sit at your desk and do work. now you can have it's like on-line smoking breaks. >> it's not a smoke break it's a poke break. >> a poke break? >> little clever. >> should workers be paid -- follow my hand. there you go. we are back here on a show. should workers be paid over time for checking their e-mail or work calls when they are off the clock? >> i don't like winers. i know they are over checking our messages our work e-mails that's part of your job. when is anybody going to be happy to have a job. we don't check our work e-mails and do stuff all of the time on the weekend. that's what you do if you want to do your job well. >> you were sending e-mails. >> i had a little problem got into the cough syrup. >> what's wrong with doing work at home. >> was i sending e-mails last night? >> you were. they made no sense. >> what time was it? >> 4:00 in the morning. >> that's not true. >> yes, you were. >> doing the show pitch. remind me when eric told me. you called me you said -- >> remember that? >> i don't remember. >> wait, you guys say late at night you are talking like 9:00. >> 4 in the morning is the last one i got from you. >> that is such bologna. >> i was just getting up. >> maybe ben took your blackberry again. >> i am firing ben. he was stealing from me. >> coming up the toddler who can dribble better than michael jordan. the basketball baby wonder next on "the five." 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and that was an error. because within machines of the photograph appearing, here is how the nra responded. one picture does not erase a lifetime of supporting every gun ban and every gun control scheme imaginable. you see, the nra is essentially a lobby of conspiracy theorists who believe that everyone is working in cahoots to take away their guns. here are some of the organizations from their own website that the nra believes are their most virulent enemies. the american academy of pediatrics, the national association of black nurses, the police foundation, and the ywca. you see, just like producing his birth certificate in response to the contemptible racist smears the birther movement, that photograph won't do anything to stop the conspiracies and that's because this has never been about empirical evidence or verifiable facts. it's about dehumanizes this president and no birth certificate no, skeet shooting photograph is ever going to persuade them to change their minds. thanks so much for watching this afternoon. chris matthews and "hardball" is next. >>> running for cover. let's play "hardball." ♪ >>> good eke. i'm chris matthews in washington. let me start tonight with this crying and gnashing of republican teeth. it started with karl rove wailing in the gop wilderness screaming for an end to crazy candidates. no more rape candidates, he said. in fact, he cried that out. no more akins or mourdocks and the rest. all that did ways a way i cannen the sleeping dogs. joe walsh is out there today with a new political action committee. steve king and paul brown are howling in fur yi that big shots like rove are saying who should be the republican nominees and who shouldn't. today it was eric cantor's turn. he wants change. the super hawk of the party gave his manifesto at the city's nonprofit war room, the american enterprise institute. what he came out for, nom tu decree that colleges have to conduct employment surveys to say what jobs there are for history majors, english majors. i guess he wants to cut down on these people taking liberal subjects in college that allow you to think and express yourself. he sounds like he wants the federal government to have become a helicopter mom hovering over all of us. and they say democrats are intervening in people's live. what will republicans do next to try to defrekt from their history of starting unnecessary wars, chasing may norths and others from the polling places. helping me to explain the latest republican face lift are john feehery and dee dee myers. we'll start with this. we know karl rove plans on finding more electable republicans candidates as he finds them. what we heard was a kinder, gentler eric cantor than the one we have seen and heard before. remember the obstructionist majority leader, remember his name was cantor, who fought the president on the debt ceiling. he called the obama administration the imperial presidency. he stepped out today to show there are no rough edges in this republican party. let's listen to cantor today. >> we'll advance proposals aimed at producing results in areas like education, health care, innovation, and job growth. our solutions will be based on the conservative principles of self-reliance, faith in the individual, trust in family, and accountability in government. our goal is to ensure that every american has a fair shot to the earn success and achieve their dreams. >> what a cover-up. your party ought to be ashamed of itself. you spent months in every state legislative capital trying to keep black people and poor people from voting or young people. now you're out pretending that you care about opportunity in america. it's an absurdity eric cantor -- >> the speech by eric cantor was a very good speech. >> if it wasn't given by him maybe. >> eric cantor is a good guy. he's got a family. he cares about this country. he's a patriot. he cares about making government work better and this is a reform speech. i thought -- because it was practical. i think for republicans they can't be the party of bob dole caring only about the deficit. they have to care about practical -- the reason you're so upset is you know it was a good speech. >> he went over to the aei, the number one war center, ths totally neocon. your thoughts. this is hopeless. i thought he'd admit the truth here today. >> it was pa joring to hear some of that -- >> hasn't he been the guy standing behind boehner's back waiting to trip him over because he's been too moderate. >> no question. he's been standing off center stage waiting for his opportunity to become speaker. i thought that there was a lot of practicality in the speech but not any big ideas. i think -- >> it was like sundries and knowings in a drugstore. little items, like telling colleges they got to tell people what employment prospects there are for english majors. what's that about? cantor -- let's take a look. he took a approach that the university education should be more like a vocational school, a school you can learn a trade. he suggested kids be told by colleges what major earn the most money so families make better choices. >> -- college provided prospective students with reliable information on the employment rate and potential earnings by major. whether parents had access to clear and understandable breakdowns between academic studies and amenities. what would those costs be? armed with this knowledge, families and students can make better decisions about where to go to school and how to budget their tuition dollars. students would actually have a better chance of graduating within four years and getting a job. >> i want to give you an open shot. this is the republican party, no the mommy party. they don't believe in being helicopter moms and telling people how to live, the nancy society, whatever you guys are calling it. here is a government official talking about the need for colleges apparently he's going to pass a law to do this, to make sure if you apply -- if you dare to major in philosophy you get a warning right up front. no jobs in that department. don't go theology, nothing happening with that crowd. what's the government doing messing around with this kind of stuff? your thoughts? >> i'm not the best because i'm a history major. >> i mageed basically in philosophy. >> i think that for a lot of parents who are worried about the high cost of education, especially college education, if they want to know and they should know, what are they getting out of that deal and what are the best majors. i think a little guidance is not a bad thing. >> since when a liberal arts, the heart -- >> i'm a pro liberal arts guy. >> have anything to do -- when has it ever been the case. >> right now people are worried about job. >> sure. >> and if what parents are -- >> in other words, don't study history. john, you're not a duddite. >> i know what it is. >> tonight take philosophy, languages, take few examiner scibeses. is that the republican message? >> it's not the republican message. i do think there's truth in advertising. maybe that's a good idea. i do agree of a well-rounded education is good for everybody. >> back to your game of depends who says this. if a democrat said this, we want the government of the united states making sure that colleges list the economic productivity of various majors. you're an intellectual. you know how to handle this. what major would you have majored? of this idea how you can predict your future based on your major is i think crazy by the way. >> and, you know, i was a political science major which i didn't declare until spring quarter of my senior year and barely got out thereof. i think that's a bad idea. >> should the government be involved in this? >> no, the government -- >> the people who most like this are the parents. please major in something you can get a job and having that kind of data would be very helpful for parents. i don't think necessarily you want the government saying this and i don't think that's what cantor -- >> why was cantor talking -- the republican party has huge problems with minorities, young people, on issues like choice and things like that. they're getting killed. why is this a remake of the republican party? >> bill clinton did very well -- they focused on issue that is people cared about and what people care about are college education, the cost of college -- >> if the gop is going to reband itself it has to deal with the monitor that eric cantor helped create. u.s. congressman paul brown is expected to run for the georgia senate seat held by retiring -- i used to think this guy was right wing, sackby chambliss. broun said this, i think the only constitution that barack obama upholds is the soviet constitution, not this one. he has no concept of this one though he claimed to be a constitutional lawyer. steve king who suggested president obama's parents may have announced his birth by telegram from africa. can your party stop its candidates being taken up by nuts. >> i think for washington people to say to grat roots activists we have to tell you how your going to make -- >> how do you stop these groups from winning? >> you know what you need to do? you need to educate the voter and get back to the -- >> get them with the right majors. >> hit them with the right -- >> and marco rubio is a great example of somebody who has an alternative candidate. you throw the baby out with the bath water. i don't think you can mandate for that from the top down whether it's the democratic party or republican party. >> how do you avoid -- we know somebody said in your party a few bad apples spoil the bunch and i do think that's true. i think people took advantage. i did, of the enact you had mourdock and akin running. the joke was you have to say which rape candidate. didn't o'donnell hurt you? didn't that woman out -- i forget her name -- >> sharron angle. don't these names hurt you? >> they're frustrated by the candidates they put up and lost but they like the candidates they ran and one, markco rubio, pat toomey. this is a process, a messy process. for washington to dictate to the grassroots how they're going to vote is very, very dangerous. >> it's not the grassroots that's a problem in mi view. there's a certain acceptable fringe in the republican party that has ideas, and that's why the rape comments were so devastating because it wasn't that he said something that was just ill considered and just came out of the top of his mouth. it was that it unearthed a strain of thought that's tolerated within the party that's not tolerable to most americans. that's the problem -- >> and the problem with that is then we lose the seat. that's the problem. >> you lose the seat but -- >> what you have to have -- >> it's a -- >> it's a vetting process and a training process -- >> but you also need more internal discipline. you can't let people sort of sneak in under the edge of the tent and pretend they -- >> let me ask you, it's your party. i think the republican party, moderate republican party is a minority party. i agree you have a problem. if you're just people who are fiscally conservative, a bit less for government than the democrats and you don't have any wild people on abortion rights or wild people, old segregationist ideas, take away the fringies, your party is about 40%. i see the problem. to get to 50% you have to bring in the nut cases. >> actually -- i actually think to get to 50% is you need to bring in the moderate. >> then tough dump the right. >> what you need to do is candidates who can go beyond. i think that's what i like about paul ryan and eric cantor and marco rubio -- >> do you think the survivalists in tents in -- the guys who think black helicopters are coming would vote for a moderate republican, a centrist republican like rubio? >> he's a tea party candidate. >> would they go that far. >> some wood and some woond. the fact of the matter is you need to find candidates that can win the most votes. and that's a very difficult process. you have to get -- the question for a lot of republicans -- >> what's the answer? >> i think you need to build a coalition and find a coalition that can get a majority vote. >> i think you lose the right when you go to the center. >> it depends who the candidates are. >> that's why you people are hugging those peoples. you like the crazy. >> i don't like crazies. i like winners. >> you had them for a while but romney wasn't authentic. >> that was a big problem. >> it is a problem. thank you, we agree. romney wasn't authentic. thank you, dedee dee. john. how far can we go when we go after the bad guys? there's a lot of debate over the justice department memo that concludes the u.s. can kill american citizens tied to al qaeda. even if they're not involved in an active plot at the time to attack the united states. i understand the civil liberty's concern but ask yourself if. if an american had put on a nazi uniform in world war ii, wouldn't we have gone after him. >>> block the vote. democrats have had enough of republican efforts to make it harder for them to vote. they are about to push legislation to make it easier to vote and to register and they're expecting help from the white house. >>> flooding the zone. immigration, guns. those two issues, the budget, president obama is trying to overwhelm republicans on multiple fronts right now to prevent them from organizing effective opposition to any one of these issues and guess what? it just might work. flooding the zone. >>> here is just one more reason eric cantor has a long way to go to rebrand the gop. a tea partier just referred to some americans as, ready for this one, ethnically challenged. good luck with that rebranding, eric. and this is "hardball," the place for politics. you know what's impressive? a talking car. but i'll tell you what impresses me. a talking train. this ge locomotive can tell you exactly where it is, what it's carrying, while using less fuel. delivering whatever the world needs, when it needs it. ♪ after all, what's the point of talking if you don't have something important to say? >>> here is just one more reason ♪ if we took the nissan altima and reimagined nearly everything in it? gave it greater horsepower and class-leading 38 mpg highway... advanced headlights... and zero gravity seats? yeah, that would be cool. introducing the completely reimagined nissan altima. it's our most innovative altima ever. nissan. innovation that excites. now get a $199-per-month lease on the 2013 nissan altima. >>> there might not be a republican filibuster against chuck hagel after all. president obama's nominee for defense secretary. but today republicans tried out a new line. senator lindsey graham of south carolina called hagel lieuer clueless about your policy toward iran. he added i hope the obama administration will reconsider his nomination. reconsider. well, lindsey likely won't be getting that wish either. we'll be right back. they're not going to reconsider. this guy is in. ey. ey. i love making money. i try to be smart with my investments. i also try to keep my costs down. what's your plan? 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a lot of our people are progressives, they're concerned about this. it's one of those areas where there's a real tradeoff you have to do. catch the bad guys, respect american values. >> this has been one of the most secretive policies of the obama administration, the use of drones, and controversial. it's been expansive. the drone strikes have dramatically increased under president obama. >> a drone is an unmanned vehicle that goes into a place, drops a bomb, and comes back. >> and missiles attached that can be used to kill the target. now, where it gets most controversial is when you talk about american citizens, and they have acknowledged that they are using drones in select cases against american citizens, and they have outlined publicly, attorney general holder last year gave a speech outlining publicly what the legal standards were for use of drones against american citizens or lethal operations against american citizens. the significance of the memo is if you read the memo closely, it provides considerable more detail than was in holder's speech when he outlined what the legal framework was, and as you can see in some of the language you quoted, the standards are a bit more expansive and a bit more -- there's a bit more leeway for policymakers than was let on in their public statements, and in particular that standard of imminent threat of a violent attack. >> let me go to -- >> when you read the memo it's a bit -- >> i know. it's always tough to get intel right. intel can be wrong as we learned in iraq. let me ask you about the prints. here. if someone joins an army that's determined to destroy the united states or re-establish the caliphate or hover you want to put it, is that person still an american? that's a great question. are they still americans if they're taking up arms against the united states? >> legally they're still americans. there are americans that have engaged in terrorist attacks within the united states. that's not the issue. the problem is the standards are rather subjective. it leaves us vulnerable to someone making a decision that's this sensitive on the basis of what may be partial -- >> suppose we find out that somebody with pretty good certitude is out to get us, they're involved with bombing our people, killing americans in uniform or not, what are we supposed to do? >> that's the big problem. the bottom line is we're going through a tremendous change in the nature of we're shifting to a period where we're looking how to fight wars that do not involve troops on the ground. we're using drones or unmanned aircraft and there's a whole change of them, and special forces that go in in strategic operations. the problem with the difference between osama bin laden and anwar allah can i is bin laden was in one place for a long period of time that allowed special forces to train, figure out how to deal -- >> we saw the movie. >> anwar al awlaki was moving around. that's the pattern of most of the extremist that the united states is trying to find and confront. and so drones have become the fast action response in a way that you can't use special forces. it would have taken a very long time to get in and put troops on the ground to get -- >> michael, what are the politics? what are the sensitivities? i think i know what they are. how do you treat an american as a bad guy and he or she still gets rights. >> one of the reasons it's getting traction today is less because of the policy as opposed to the secrecy that the obama administration has adopted in explaining -- >> are they afraid of aclu lawyers getting involved? >> like all administrations, they believe they're doing the right thing and they don't want to share their internal thought processes with the public, but we had these huge battles during the bush years over the torture memos and other -- >> who is making the call? the attorney general, the head of the cia? who makes the call when we send in a drone. is it the army, the cia, is it the attorney general? >> a lot of recent reporting has shown it's actually barack obama himself -- >> through the nsc. >> he is the informed high-level official -- >> does he have to give an official finding? does he have to have a finding? does he have to -- >> there's a finding that supports the policy, but i don't know that he needs -- >> does he have fingerprints when he makes one of these decisions like -- >> not public ones. in fact, they won't discuss the public -- deliberations at all. listen, until last year they wouldn't acknowledge the drone policy existed. >> can you tell from your reporting if there's any conflict of conscience within the administration or they agree we need to do this in the war we're in now? >> look at panetta's comments to chuck todd the other day on "meet the press" in which he said making these decisions about who should die and who should not, who should get targeted, were really tough ones and he agonized about that. that ought to give you a clue these are not all open and shut cases. >> i think leon is a conscientious guy. he goes to church every day. i think sometimes you have to do things that are not nice. we're fighting a war. >> i don't think -- >> it's a tough one for me. robin, i'm on the tough side of this one. i think we have to fight our enemies but great reporting. great disclosure. we ought to know what we're doing. michael isikoff, thank you, and thank you. great to have you at nbc and robin wright, one of my favorite correspondents. >>> up next, chris christie's poll numbers up through the roof. he was on letterman and he's making the jokes about his own weight eating a doughnut. that's ahead, and this is "hardball," the place for politics. yo, give it up, dude! up high! ok. don't you have any usefull apps on that thing? 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and while you're watching, see if you recognize this set, the tv set here. >> for a while you were part of a lawsuit that ended up being dismissed in federal court alleging that president obama might not be a legitimate candidate because he might not have been born in the united states. i mean, having looked at that, i guess my initial question with all due respect is how could someone who is a public servant put their name on something that ridiculous? that's just completely off the wall and delusional, isn't it? >> well a constituent of mine, a personal constituent of mine, asked me to look at the situation. for a long time the president did not want to produce that documentation. he eventually did. he prodoused a certificate of live birth and i have been satisfied with that production. >> well, a personal constituent asked him to look into the issue and his logical next step was signing on to participate with the lawsuits. the queen of the birthers, orally tate. todd akin made his legitimate rape comments on the same show. >>> americans for prosperity backed by the koch brothers held what they call a citizen watch dog training course for michigan residents. one of the suggests was school choice with an emphasis on creating more charter schools. norman hughes, a tea party patriots member and a speaker at the event, made the case that charter schools don't tend to favor well-off students at the expense of their underprivileged peers. take a listen, however, courtesy of the liberal advocacy group progress michigan. >> kids aren't going to charter schools if they're "a" students. they go to charter schools because they're failing students, and by and large the charter schools have a higher percentage of poor families, ethnically challenged families. >> what is an ethnically challenged family? 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how do they do both? >> look, this whole idea of having another pac is just to me -- it's just too out there. all you have to do to get together, organize at the state parties, put the state parties in charge of the political process. when i was state chairman, when i was a county chairman, i had to instill the discipline at the state level to make sure we were grooming and developing the kind of candidates you want to run. you just can't leave it to an open process and then swing in with yet another pac that's going to divert money away from the state, concentrated here for consultants and vendors in washington and then complain afterwards as we saw in 2012 when you get your clock cleaned again, oh, gee, it's the candidates, it's the state party. there's got to be a concerted effort by the rnc to get off their behinds, get involved in the states, and make them the leadership here. don't rely on a karl rove or reince priebus. the state chairman really has the opportunity to vet the candidates up front and to build the party from the bottom up and inviting those activists who are frustrated to be a part of the process. >> how do you democrats exploit this? we have the republican establishment disdainful of its right wing and trying to prevent it from getting any candidacies. >> how do we exploit it? >> yeah. >> you remember the old rule from lee at water, when the component is self-destructing get out of the way. >> that goes back to napoleon. >> for the democrats, you watch these guys and you see on the one hand they have lost the middle which is great for the democratic party because everything they lose we pick up. on the other hand, they're attacking their base which is going to result in not victories for moderate candidates who can win general elections but it's going to result in right wing candidates getting their backs up, getting in these primaries, and they're low turnout primaries and they win and then they can't win general elections. >> let's talk about another strategy which is called flood the zone like in basketball or football. you get so many players in one area, somebody is going to catch the ball. president obama has been relentless in agitating for action on a number of issues he wants to address. yesterday in minnesota it was gun restrictions. today it's immigration reform with business and labor leaders meeting at the white house. nbc's first read identifies the strategy. the obama white house wants to overlead washington's political sirtes in an effort to see what he can get through congress without letting congress define what issues get addressed. so throw a lot of stuff out them, immigration, guns hoping that the republicans are so flabbergasted by so many things to deal with, they can't get their act together. >> and he's done it brilliantly. on the fiscal cliff he basically had wall street, which funds the republicans, votes republican, talks to republicans, come in and say you have got to do what the president is asking you to do. on the debt, same thing happened. the republicans said -- >> the debt ceiling. >> and wall street came in and said, yes, you are. and now on immigration reform the president is appealing to the people who understand what responsibility immigration reform can mean for business and the economy. he's actually not getting democrats to beat the republicans. he's getting republicans to beat the republicans. it's a great strategy. >> what do you make of it, michael, from the other side. jimmy carter was accused of having too many balls in the air when he was president. this time the president wants to throw a lot at the republicans and keep them off guard. >> it reminds me of 2009 all over again. instead of focusing on the paramount issue that every american is still fising, the jobs, the economy -- >> what's the republican job program? >> it's not about the republican job -- >> you just brought it up. what's your party's program? >> you're asking about the president, let me address the president. doesn't ask about the republicans. i'm telling what you the president is doing. my analysis of what the president is doing is a smart strategy as steve noted. he's throwing a lot of things out there to see what sticks but he also has a problem on the issue like guns that harry reid is not sitting up champing at the bit to do gun legislation coming out of the senate, by the way. so -- >> but the american public, michael, is he. >> well, we know what the american public wants and what the united states senate and congress wants is sometimes two different things. that's the point. the president is trying to triangulate these interests to put his agenda out there to put the republicans on the defense to cobble together what he needs from the democrats to get something done. meanwhile we still have unemployment at 7.9% and 22 million american unemployed. >> michael, you don't have and the president doesn't have but i have a jobs program. rebuild america. big time. we do it in our ads. it's called lean forward. >> but how does he do it when -- >> 3% interest rate right now. you can borrow the money at practically nothing to get the job done. >> that's right. >> try to get the loan, chris. try to get the loans. >> you get a 30-year loan at 3% would have no impact on the deficit. >> you do that and see what happens. >> i'm not president. >> he should be perhaps. >> unfortunately or fortunately but neither is the case. thank you, guys. i do have a plan though that neither -- i say put people to work rebuilding this country because we did it in the 'fifts with ike. remember do nothing identification. >> this isn't the '50s. >> watch the ads. up next, democrats are fighting back against republican efforts to make it harder to vote and that's ahead. republicans can't resist this stuff. and this is "hardball," the place for politics. when you have diabetes... your doctor will say get smart about your weight. i tried weight loss plans... but their shakes aren't always made for people with diabetes. that's why there's glucerna hunger smart shakes. they have carb steady, with carbs that digest slowly to help minimize blood sugar spikes. and they have six grams of sugars. with fifteen grams of protein to help manage hunger... look who's getting smart about her weight. 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>> well, i don't know if we can legislatively change the state laws, but we can, in fact, change laws as they relate to federal elections, and so to the extent that a state law will have impact or affect a federal election, we can, in fact, manage what happens with federal elections. now, you may recall that's the way we got the 18-year-old the right to vote. states didn't do it. federal law was passed to allow 18-year-olds to vote in federal elections. of course, the impact of that was that states later came along and did it -- >> was that a constitution amendment? wasn't that a constitutional amendment? >> i'm saying but it was done for federal elections, not state elections. >> okay. let me ask you about what's been going on recently. 2004 ohio, some people think there was some vote chiseling out there that affected the vote and caused great long lines up in cleveland. same thing in florida. some people believe that rick scott, the governor we just suggested that, had a hand in making it tougher tougher for m to vote. is it your belief state authorities have been abusing their authority? >> absolutely. i was in florida -- i'm sorry. i was in ohio. akron, ohio, the friday before the elections. and i can tell you the secretary of state out there was doing all kinds of things to dilute the impact of black voters. in precincts they were voting -- multiple voting precincts into one voting place thereby creating pressure on the system that would cause long lines to form. and you know people would be discouraged. other people would have to give up, not being able to take care of their children. i talked to people in south carolina who went back home because they could not afford to be away from their children more than a couple of hours to vote. so this has been happening throughout 41 states. many of them have passed legislation that will bring great pressure on the system. and i want to thank you, chris, because your pro promo pieces on the subject have been fantastic and started people to thinking about what's going on here. >> well, i hope it's had an impact. i do believe one thing that happened, i think a lot of african-americans got very upset when it became clear that a lot of people in power in states like florida and across the country, pennsylvania my home state, were manipulating the law to keep them from voting. i think a lot of people got red hot about that. i hope that's what happened. >> absolutely. that's what happened in florida. yes, it happened in florida as well. and got some people standing five or six hours in line because they were angry. >> i'd be angry. >> in ohio, people got very, very angry in ohio. that's why you had the big surge. there was 11% in 2008 of the african-american vote, got up to 15% in 2012. all because people were angry and decided to demonstrate. i want to thank governor scott down in florida for deciding to go back and now to his extended voting. >> you know what? i have great respect for you. jim clyburn in south carolina. my message for people trying to stop people from voting, screw you. we've got alex wagner. it's awful how they blew it. anyway, thank you. isn't this a great story in a way? here you see, alex, when you watch the politics of this country, sometimes to get people roused just to heard them. say you can't vote and see what they do. it's nice to see americans rebel against that. >> there's been so much maligning of public service and, you know, exercising one's -- being a participant in the great american democracy. then you see people lining up for eight hours to vote. sometimes in states where it's not particularly contested. people believe in the electoral process which just underscores how dastardly and despicable it is that some republicans are trying to manipulate that process. you know, it's everything from the electoral college rigging that is now envogue in certain legislatures to the voter i.d. laws. it's about consolidating power in the hands of a fractious few. >> how do you square that with their efforts to get minority votes? you keep hearing the republicans want latino votes. >> exactly. >> and want african-american votes. at the same time they're publicly trying to suppress their right to vote. >> it shows how disingenuous it is. it's like on one hand we've got to have outreach and on the other hand it's to disenfranchise voters. obama's electorate is broad and headquartered in urban areas and cities. and as such, republicans are trying to disenfranchise those kinds of voters. they are not winning those voters. they know their future as it is written in the policy they have embraced is not with those voters. so they'll do anything they can to manipulate the process to ensure the vote -- the white rule conservative voters have a disproportionate share of power. >> what about the discriminating against the right wing to get the primaries and caucuses. karl rove's latest effort to purify the republican party, right wing elements. >> you know what? you and i have been talking about this for awhile. we have maintained this is a tunnel that has the sign heart break dead ahead sign at the end. tea partiers who have no interest in governing in an effort to win in the rural south. and as a result the tent now has two parties really. and you see a schism here. i don't know how you reconcile this fractious right wing swank with republicans who want to get legislation through and are trying to think about the party in the long-term. >> can't beat that. thank you, alex wagner, my colleague for joining us. we'll be right back. he system w. let's say you pay your guy around 2% to manage your money. that's not much you think. except it's 2% every year. does that make a difference? 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>>> let me finish tonight with this. the obama administration has found a way to offer birth control to women who want it without infringing on religious belief. it's a victory for the president and roman catholics. how do we ensure that women get birth control? how do we insure that religious institutions aren't forced to pay for it? access to stand-alone-coverage. changes where they will put their policies on sale. the key here is it gets around a pair of goals that were in conflict, are not anymore. one goal is to reduce dramatically the number of unwanted pregnancies. regular use of birth control is one way that works. in this case, the catholic church is protected from having to pay for birth control insurance. my own idea is the solution the obama reached is win-win. getting birth control to women for free will help to make it free. to keep the catholic church out of that transaction makes it no less beneficial to the goal of averting unwanted pregnancies. and with them in many cases, the decision to have an abortion. this is what good, smart, progressive morally upright politics is all about. and that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "the ed show" with ed schultz starts right now. >>> good evening, americans, and welcome to "the ed show" from new york. president obama is tackling tough issues. but all the beltway wants to talk about is skeet shooting at camp david? this is "the ed show." let's get to work. >> our law enforcement officers should never be outgunned. on the streets. >> the president pounds away on gun safety as shiny objects dominate the beltway media coverage. >> how often does the president go skeet shooting? and are there photographs of him doing so? >> tonight, i'll take the fourth estate to task for missing the big picture with katrina vanden heuvel of the nation and msnbc's richard wolffe. >>> plus, minneapolis mayor rt rybak on how he is lowering gun violence in his city, and how he thinks senate majority leader harry reid needs to get to work on guns. >>> the boy scouts are getting ready to end their policy of discrimination against gays, and the president is standing with them. >> should scouting be open to gays? >> yes. >> i'll tell you how conservatives are fighting the process. the. >>> it's the super bowl commercial everybody is talking about. >> god looked down on his planned paradise and said i need a caretaker. so god made a farmer. >> god created the family farmer. i'll tell you how republicans are destroying them. all that plus e.j. dionne, karen finney and jonathan alter on why conservatives are actually trying to blame the super bowl blackout on the president. good to have you with us tonight, folks. thanks for watching there is a major development on gun legislation today, but there is a good chance you haven't heard about it. president obama continued the push for common sense gun reform today in minneapolis. he was surrounded by law enforcement officers with the city and the state. the president asked americans to stand with the men and women in the line of fire. >> weapons of war have no place on our streets or in our schools or threatening our law enforcement officers. our law enforcement officers should never be outgunned on the streets. >> the president has outlined a full list of proposals to curb gun violence in america. very quietly, many of those proposals are picking up steam on capitol hill. senate majority leader harry reid said he expects a bill will soon move to the senate floor. the package will include a universal background check, a capacity limit on ammunition magazines, and improvements to record-keeping on mental illness. a universal background check is in sight. this is probably what they're really going to get. advocacy groups are trying to build momentum. last night, this ad from mayors against illegal guns aired during the super bowl. >> the nra once supported background checks. >> we think it's reasonable to provide mandatory instant criminal background checks for every sale at every gun show. no loopholes anywhere for anyone. >> america can do this. for us. >> opponents of a background check rely on fearmongering. nra chief wayne lapierre spread ridiculous lies on fox news sunday. >> what they'll do is they'll turn this universal check on the law abiding into a universal registry of law-abiding people. and law-abiding people don't want that. >> well, law-abiding people want a universal background check system. more than nine in ten gun households want one. more than eight in ten nra member says the same thing. the president is quick to point out the popularity of the law. >> we know for example from polling that universal background checks are universally supported just about. by gun others. the overwhelming majority of gunowners think that's a good idea. so if we have lobbyists in washington claiming to speak for gun owners saying something different we need to go to the source and reach out to people directly. we can't allow those filters to get in the way of common sense. >> the gun lobby is worried. the president is making headway on this issue, which is why his opponents insist on distracting the country with things like this. the white house released a photo of president obama skeet shooting while at camp david in august. in fact, it was on his birthday. the gun lobby wants everyone to be talking about this photo. and the press, what are they doing? they're playing right along with it. this all started when the new republic released a wide ranging interview with the president. but the focus has been on this exchange. the president was asked directly, have you ever fired a gun? he answered directly, yes. in fact, up at camp david, we do skeet shooting all the time. the answer created a frenzy in the washington media. >> how often does the president go skeet shooting, and are is there photographs of him doing so? >> i would refer you simply to his comments. i don't know how often. he does go to camp david with some regularity, but i'm not sure often he has done that. >> if s there a photograph of him doing it? >> there may be, but i haven't seen it. >> why haven't we heard about it before? >> because when he goes to camp david, he goes to spend time with his family and friends and relax, not to produce photographs. >> that's what the american people want to know. that's really what they want to know. all these issues on the table, it's how many, how often, where, does he really? jay carney's answer is never going to be good enough, because it's about president obama. the "washington post" wrote more than 1300 words fact checking the president's answer. they wrote, "we are eager to see a photograph or hear from someone who saw him at the skeet range to put this matter to rest." of course, fox news was quick to keep the fire raging all week long. so the white house, all right, they went along with it. they released a photograph. now what do you think? instead of ending the conversation, the press forced it even more. focused on it even more. now, the "washington post" was on defense. basically, all statements by public figures are subject to scrutiny. the president made an unexpected claim. and for nearly a week the white house refused to back it up. but in the end, they concluded the issue is settled. not according to the white house press corps. these are some of the questions jay carney was asked during his media availability today. why release the photo now? was the president shooting skeet or trap? does he ever shoot weapons -- or did he ever shoot weapons before he was president? did he ever shoot weapons elsewhere? will you release photos of friends or family or guests? carney responded, "the fact is that the president was asked a question. he did not volunteer, but was asked a question about whether or not he had ever shot a weapon. he answered with the truth, which is he has enjoyed shooting competitively with friends at camp david on multiple occasions." did they all pick up on that? multiple occasions. this photo completely overshadowed the talk of universal background checks is what we should be talking about and did nothing to end protests. the president knocked the nra saying one picture does not ease a lifetime of supporting every gun ban, every gun control scheme imaginable. the washington press has a responsibility to ask the president tough questions about things affecting all americans. a photo of the president shooting skeet does not affect gun laws one bit. it only distracts from the major issues at hand. so the bottom line come downs to this. the smiles are great at the press conferences with jay carney, but is this really what the american people are concerned about, what the president does on his free time at camp david? and does he always have to step forward with some evidence that he has told the truth to reporters? and this is just a big demand coming from the washington media that he has to show this photo so everybody will believe that he real ly has touched a gun an fired a gun and has some noise cancelling headsets on. kind of parallels the birthers, doesn't it? we won't believe it until we see it and still won't believe it after we see it. get your cell phones out. does the beltway media have america's best interest at heart? text "a" for yes and be fo now. here is the next number. 67622. i have to learn how to say that fast. a new text number. it is now 67622. you can always go to our blog at ed.msnbc.com. i'll bring results later in the program. i'm joined tonight by katrina vanden heuvel and the executive editor of msnbc.com and an msnbc political analyst. great to have both of you with us tonight. i've never seen a picture get so much attention, except when dick cheney shot somebody in the face, which the president hasn't done. katrina, is the press being negligent when we start getting down to the serious conversation of background checks that they're focusing on stuff like this? >> yeah, i think we're looking at inside the beltway media malpractice. it's not new, ed. i'm thinking we're on the tenth anniversary of iraq, and much of the press played stenographers to power, not an accountability watchdog media which we need. this skeet shooting incident has nothing to do, it's utterly irrelevant with the actual policy proposals now under debate. so you have to ask yourself, who does the media inside the beltway think it's representing? we've seen these problems before. the country is worried about joblessness. inside the beltway, the media keeps pushing the president on debt and deficits. i'd like to know also, i don't think of the fundamental issues confronting this country. but on the gun issue, why wasn't there a single question about the 15-year-old chicago girl, haddia pendleton, who parked in the parade in the inauguration and was gunned down, the 42nd victim of gun violence in chicago in january. that might be relevant to the issue of how do you stop trafficking of illegal weapon, and relevant to the actual policy debates under way in this country. >> richard, why does inside the beltway media have a propensity to focus on things that people don't care about? >> look, i've been part of that press corps. i was there in the time in the run-up to the war in iraq. but as a pack, as a pack mentality, this is a game. look, the war in iraq was serious. don't get me wrong. but we're talking about kids in america who were killed and how to respond to that. and so, you know, the disjoint between this photo, what the president does in his leisure time, whether it's real or not, how often he does it, and the cold, hard facts of american children being killed by assault weapons in our schools, that seems to be -- we didn't know where issue would go. i'm not trying to make any excuses for how the press corps behaved. but we have two very compelling stories here. one of them is actually about children dying and how you respond to that. and the other is about a photo. so i actually think they have kind of disappeared into their own world and their own competitive desires, which is let's have some fun with this. let's get some clicks and let's have something that is shareable. people love that photo. but at the heart, if you're going to hold people accountable, if the "washington post" is true to its word, you hold public officials accountable not for a random comment, but for their policy, for the effects of their policy. that is what the job of the press circumstances there has to be a sense of an accountability media. and i think too often, and it comes from the top too when we face corporations where the news enterprise is a small cog in the system, that you're witnessing sometimes the obliteration of the line between news and entertainment. that's why there was more attention to beyonce was she lip sink organize not than to perhaps some of the issues and policies in the president's inaugural address, kim kardashian's baby bump. those kind of issues take too much of our time when we should be talking about the crises facing our country. and two often the beltway media follows power, doesn't raise the tough questions that people in a democracy deserve to hear. we need to learn more about what is going on with the gun debate. and by the way, the president going to minneapolis, i think is very important. because he needs to get outside of d.c. and press his message, as he did in las vegas with immigration, as he did today in minneapolis. a city which has seen a drop of youth gun violence by 41%. and those optics of law enforcement behind him. he knows he needs to know what he didn't do effectively as much post-2008. get out of the beltway. >> that's where he is most effective, there is no question about that. but here we are on the verge of trying to get something done. and the media is focusing on the president skeet shooting instead of the president talking about universal background checks and will harry reid actually bring the assault weapons ban to the floor. some real heavy stuff. >> but we've seen this before. the serious policy debates don't get the coverage they deserve. but the president can drive it more. and media, like the nation or msnbc can try to amplify the serious messages that need to be heard, the serious policy, the serious accountability journals that needs to be heard if there is going to be some advance. >> let's just be clear here, okay. so say the president gets the background checks that we all assume that is going to be there. and if wayne lapierre thought it was a good deal once, then maybe he'll think ultimately it's a good deal again. but that wouldn't have stopped this particular shooting in newtown. however, the high capacity magazines, that's where the press needs to ask the questions. is the president willing to go out, stick his neck out on the line for this and say this is what his administration really cares about. that's where, you know, there is real journalism to be done in terms of what the white house strategy is. >> closing the gun show loophole would be a big step forward because that's 40% of the sales in this country. obviously, the background checks, the magazine, all of that stuff, you know, people's lives are definitely been lost because of some things have slipped through the cracks. we can do a better job. yet, we're focusing on the president skeet shooting. i find find it amazing. great to have both of you with us tonight, katrina vanden heuvel and richard wolffe. share your thoughts with us on twitter, edshow and facebook. we want to know what you think. coming up, president obama tries to offer solutions, but the nra mouthpiece wayne lapierre keeps thoughing up roadblocks. and in minneapolis they have reduced crimes by 40%. rt rybak joins us. or take aleve, which can relieve pain all day with just two pills. good eye. >>> randy does a heck of a job mocking the superdome blackout on twitter, and the republicans use it to attack the president's unreasonable panel. and president obama's evolution on gay rights continues while republicans claim there is a war on scouts. we'll have the latest on the boy scouts' big decision on gay members later. you can listen to my radio show at sirius xm radio channel 127 monday through friday, noon to 3:00 p.m. share your thoughts with us on facebook and on twitter using the hash tag edshow. we're coming right back. i love making money. i try to be smart with my investments. i also try to keep my costs down. what's your plan? ishares. low cost and tax efficient. find out why nine out of ten large professional investors choose ishares for their etfs. ishares by blackrock. call 1-800-ishares for a prospectus which includes investment objectives, risks, charges and expenses. read and consider it carefully before investing. risk includes possible loss of principal. officewith an online package new colincluding: domain name,y! website builder with five pages and basic email just $49.99! that's up to 76 percent below online providers and only at officemax stores! >>> welcome back to "the ed show." today president obama pushed for solutions to gun violence by taking his ideas for common sense measures to minneapolis, which has had huge success on the issue. >> this city came together. you launched a series of youth initiatives that have reduced the number of young people injured by guns by 40%. >> this week, then, we learned of another high profile senseless killing. former navy s.e.a.l. chris kyle and another man, chad littlefield were killed saturday at a gun range in texas. the two men had taken a veteran former marine eddie ray routh to the gun range, and routh allegedly shot both of them. routh reportedly has a recent history of mental illness and is in police custody on a suicide watch. the gun lobbyist self-appointed mouthpiece wayne lapierre was asked about the latest tragedy. >> you fix the mental health system. every police officer knows people on the street that should be institutionalized because we've emptied our institutionalized. they're out there walking around on the street. we need to change our civil commitment laws. we need to change the mental health system, fund it, get it to work, get tease people into treatment. we're not doing that. i would like to see the mental health records computerized, but we can't even get that done. >> it's a fraud to call universal. it's never going to be universal. the criminals aren't going to comply with it. they could care less. you're not going to computerize -- you've seen you're got stopgap to computerize the mental health records. so we're is what is going to happen. we ought to quit calling it right now universal check. the real title ought to be the check on law-abiding people all thoefr country. >> al know lapierre fully supported background checks in 1999. >> let's talk what is reasonable and what is not. we think it's reasonable to provide mandatory instant criminal background checks for every sale at every gun show. no loopholes anywhere for anyone. >> the solutions for these tragedies aren't always simple, but it doesn't mean we should be giving up. joining me now is r.t. rybak, mayor of minneapolis. great to have you with us tonight, r.t. i appreciate you coming in on this subject. it's so vitally important. >> i'm thrilled you're covering it, ed. >> you bet. president obama praised the efforts of your city. how did you do it? how were you able to impact the youth violence in minneapolis? >> the minneapolis model for reducing gun violence was really especially about young people. we focused on at the whole community together, 32-point plan that was really tied to surrounding young people with trusted adults and intervening at the first sign of at-risk behavior. and we worked the plan and worked the plan and worked the plan. 40% decrease in juvenile crime is a huge impact. but one of the reasons the president was here was to say that was good work. but one of the reasons we wanted him here was to say it's not enough. we need common sense laws. because i've been at too many homicides with a mom and a kid who is dead and trying to explain where did that gun come from. and there are laws that the police and the federal officials can't share information there are laws that say mental health records can't be computer sized. change those laws. fix that, and help us bring a little more peace to the streets. >> where are we right now? i bring you forward on this subject. you understand you were critical of harry reid today. sheer senate majority leader harry reid. i want you to respond to this. >> have i said to senator leahy, i want a bill to come out of the committee. if dianne feinstein by the time it's through the judiciary committee, if she doesn't have her assault weapons, at least let her have an opportunity to offer this amendment. >> will you vote for it? >> oh,i don't know. frankly, and she knows, i haven't read her amendment. i didn't vote for the assault weapons last time because it didn't make sense. but i'll take a look at it. >> mayor, is senator reid doing enough to move this legislation? >> i believe he should read the amendment and listen to a former mayor, dianne feinstein, who stuck her finger in a bullet hole at a scene of a crime. that's what we see as mayors. in washington assault ban weapon, it's a political issue. here is how it sounds to me. my daughter will be teaching school next year. if somebody is in the horrible situation of shooting in that classroom, and they're forced to reload the gun, that may be my daughter's life, that may be your child's life. force people to reload. my god, if we can't do that, it's horrible enough about what is happening out here. stop and think about it. when you hear a assault weapons ban, don't think about what they're talking in washington. think about forcing people to reload so we can walk back at least a few lives in mass murder. my god, isn't that enough? >> so you're saying that in washington, the assault weapons ban is political. would you go so far as to say that the lobbyists are intimidating the lawmakers? the lawmakers know what to do, they just won't do it? >> well, i'm a politician. a lot of things are political. but what does seem to happen is there is this whole thing like oh, gee, the nra is going to unelect me. by the way, they lost most of their elections. they lost their number one goal, which is to stop president obama. so let's get away from this idea that everything we do has to be because we're afraid of the nra. are there are lots of good nra members, and they're law-abiding citizens. their leaders are seemingly out of control. and what we need to do is to have people get a backbone and say that yeah, it is right to not have our police outgunned. yes, it is right to say that if we have the option between a shooting and a mass murder, we should choose, my god, the least of those hideous things. that's the kind of common sense we need people to have, and guts we need them to have. and by the way, if you're afraid of the nra, i want you to talk to some of the real lobbyists out here, the people who have been victims, whose families have lost people. they're by the thousands now in this country, and they're multiplying every day. you want to see a lobby that is going to be on your case if you don't take action? we got them all over this country. >> but why isn't harry reid being stronger, in your opinion? you heard his answer there. he said he didn't vote for it before. doesn't sound like he is going to vote for it again. isn't this a moment for leadership? if the majority of americans want this, shouldn't the senate majority leader step up and say you know what? we got to move in this direction. >> i don't think harry reid is the only problem. the problem is that folks in washington have calculated that they think it's bad politics to be for banning weapons and clips that force you to reload. they think that's bad politics. and i think their calculation is just wrong. i think it's good politics. and my god, it's the right thing to do. >> mayor r.t. rybak, good to have you with us on "the ed show." thank you so much. >>> coming up, chrysler ran a great super bowl ad this year praising the american family farmer. but farms will be in danger if congress fails to pass a farm bill. i'll have the details for you coming up. >>> and who killed the likes of the super bowl? right-wingers have their theories. jonathan alter, karen finney and e.j. dionne will weigh in on that. stay with us. we'll be right back with "the ed show." 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87% of total pharmacy in the united states, but they produce only 15% of the total crop value. on the other hand, very large family farms and corporate farms bring in the remaining 85% of corporate profit in the industry. meanwhile, small family farms are always, i guess you could say, one disaster away from extinction. one in four of these pharmacy make less than $50,000 a year. if a drought or any disaster hits, these small farms don't have a chance. but large farms and corporate farms can take a hit from time to time. this is why it's so important for congress to do its part to protect the family farmer. it starts i guess with the farm bill. price supports and disaster relief very important, are things that will only keep the family farms in business in tough times. the senate passed their version of the farm bill last session, but as expected, john boehner's do nothing house sat on the bill. and now it will have to be redone in the 113th congress. boehner doesn't need a single democratic vote to pass this thing. he has the majority. if he is for the american farmer, if he is for the heartland, he ought to bring the farm bill to the floor for a vote. but he refuses to do that. i hope john boehner and the rest of the house republicans watch chrysler's ad and understand what it means. farmers helped build america, and are vital to our future success as a nation. if small family pharmacy get into trouble, they deserve help from the government. chrysler did another fantastic job this year with their ad. they are providing and proving again what american exceptionalism is all about. there is a lot more to come in the next half hour of the "ed show." stay with us. >> uh-oh, we lost lights. >> when the lights went out in new orleans, you knew it was just a matter of time until republicans started blaming president obama. jonathan alter, e.j. dionne and karen finney on the politics of the big game is next. >>> plus, the right-wing freak-out to the president's latest endorsement of equality. >> should scouting be open to gays? 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and now officials are trying to figure out just what the heck happened. the nfl has ruled out beyonce as the culprit. the entertainer used her own generators for the halftime show. and superdome authorities say that a substation detected an abnormally and automatically cut power. but at this point that's all they know. fortunately, conservatives have a few theorys of their own. many right-wingers took to twitter and social media blue up, and of course blaming the obama administration, pointing to this department of energy press release detailing the city of new orleans embracing of energy efficiency. the daily caller writing what is more energy-efficient than darkness? green is the new blackout. this tweet from herman cain, the department of energy wanted you to know that last night's super bowl was the greatest -- or the greenest ever. then the lights went out. from a "wall street journal" columnist, super bowl xlvii is brought to you by solyndra. and from laura ingraham, how long before we hear from the white house about the need for another multibillion stimulus to rebuild the power grid? and donald trump, the country is being run just like the stadium. meanwhile, former bush administration fema director michael brown, you know brownie, who spent days ignoring what was going on in the superdome during hurricane katrina used the blackout to comment not on infrastructure, but on the residents of new orleans. someone just told me there was fighting going on in new orleans superdome. #shocked. let's bring in our panel tonight. jonathan alter with us, bloomberg view, msnbc political analyst karen finney, and also "washington post" e.j. dionne. well, sometimes the right just doesn't take a rest on anything. i was absolutely surprised to hear from brownie last night during the super bowl. who would have ever thought it? e.j., what was most surprising when it was all unfolding to you? >> well, first of all, i mean i'm just shocked that brownie wanted to get out there on anything having to do with new orleans. i just want to turn it around a little and say that my super bowl mvps are the electricians, the technicians and other workers who got those lights back on in a half hour, a little over a half an hour. i mean, we don't realize or think much about how much we depend on folks like that until we really need them. but in terms of these other explanations, i am just surprised that the right hasn't yet blamed beyonce for being a secret partner of solyndra. i mean, what are they going to come up with? >> the other point here is that, karen, they just never miss an opportunity to go after the president and degrade him, do they? >> that's right. and remember, beyonce was a supporter of the president. so i'm sure if there is some way to pin it back on her, they will figure it out. but sure. any opportunity to blame the president. and frankly, the tweets that you just shared distract from what is a very real conversation that we should be having about the power grid, about infrastructure in this country. that's not a conversation they want to have. >> jonathan, your thoughts on how it all unfolded in the aftermath. >> you know, i kept being struck by why they didn't let the players warm up before they resumed play. they were risking injury. fortunately, there were not any injuries as a result. but it's standard in those situations to give them some warm-up time. then i realized money talks. you know, the advertisers obviously did not want to have any longer of a delay. there was so many -- there was so much money at stake that they were willing to risk injuries to resume the game. >> these guys are professionals. they know how to get ready. i was rather entertained by all the conversation about oh, how is this going to affect them psychologically? who has the advantage? finally it got back to phil simms and he said you know what? they're professionals. they know how to handle this. i tweeted out, "thank you, phil simms". >> the 49ers had a huge psychological advantage after the blackout. it was really peculiar. they put all these points on the board right away. so sometimes these things can mark kind of a psychological break point in the momentum of a game. and the ravens went on to win. but they almost lost. >> i was sort of intrigued by the idea that nobody thought -- half the lights were on, and yet the thought of potentially, i don't know, continuing without all of the sort of bells and whistles that we have become so accustomed to was not each an idea on the table. >> the super bowl didn't have a light backup plan. i mean, come on, america! i mean -- >> you know, this is only the kind of thing that nerds, political nerds like us would say. but the only comparable situation i can remember when the whole world was watching was in 1976 when jimmy carter and gerald ford were debating, and they had this blackout, this technical problem. and for several minutes, they just stood there on the stage. and 100 million americans just stood by until the debate resumed. >> well, i got to ask the question whom. came out with the momentum after the lights went out? i can't remember that one. >> i think carter. he went on to win the election. >> but the 49ers and the ravens handled the blackout better i think than carter in florida did that night. >> we've got to commercial. e.j., your thoughts on paul harvey's voice being used on the future farmers of america and of course selling trucks. and we know landscape in america and life has changed so much in rural america. what did you make of this? >> i loved the ad. in fact, i thought what it reminded me of was the clint eastwood ad for chrysler. and the advantage they have is paul harvey is not going to come back with a chair at a republican convention. but i thought it was a beautiful ad. you almost expected to hear john cougar mellencamp's old songs that we used to sing at farm aid concerts is what i was thinking as i was watching. >> was there a political message there at all, do you think, karen? >> i do, actually. as it was playing, sort of thinking there is a slice of america that we're losing. i mean, you talked than, frankly, just before this segment. and there are very real reasons why family farmers and small farmers are struggling in this country. and, you know, there were beautiful images and things we should be very proud of in terms of the american ethic of hard work and all of that. and yet we're not taking care of those values and not cherishing those values and doing the things we can to preserve that in the ways that i think we could be. >> jonathan, what about the ad? the mayors against illegal guns took out. effective? your thoughts. >> yeah, i think it was effective. you know, this is a long twilight struggle, as jfk said about the cold war. this issue is not going to be resolved soon. it's not just about whether there is an assault weapons ban, whether this piece of legislation that comes up is as complete as you and i would like it to be. liberals and common sense supporters of gun safety need to look at it in the long-term. and the mayors are playing an important role, but they need more people. >> yeah. >> like those in the farm ad in the chrysler ad. those folks to get involved to really make change on guns. >> jonathan alter, karen finney, e.j. dionne, great to have you with us tonight. thank you so much. >>> ohio governor john kasich says yes to medicaid expansion. his republican resistance to obama care beginning to weaken. stay tuned. 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>> well, i think as we saw across the country when the president put out his opinion on marriage that people pay attention. he is able to use the bully pulpit to help educate americans. i've already heard from people today who were not even aware of the ban on the boy scouts having openly gay leaders and members. so i think just from an educational perspective and the certainty of his answer when you saw, when asked it was an immediate yes, no hesitation in any way whatsoever. and i think the american people see that and take that to heart. >> when you listen to staunch conservatives like santorum and rick perry, you have to ask the question, will lifting the ban on gays destroy scouting? they believe it will. >> well, you know, if something was destroyed every time rick perry or rick santorum said that it was going to be destroyed by some cause or action, the planet would be destroyed i think at this point. >> well, why does scouting ban gays? why have they in the past? >> thing has been a real misunderstanding that by banning gay people, they're protecting things from adults with inappropriate sexual activity, when the statement and the facts actually point to something totally differently. it's when people are repressed, whether it's men
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7:00 a.m. that was fun. could get use to this action. see you in the grove. we have always won the party. but now -- >> bill: the o'reilly factor is on, tonight: >> you say [bleep] >> did you say that? >> yes, sir, did i. >> oh, you did say that? >> shepard: miami judge throws an 18-year-old woman in jail for 30 days for cursing at him in the courtroom. [bleep] >> tonight, we will analyze the epidemic of disrespect in america. >> shepard: these strikes are illegal, they are ethical and they are wise. >> bill: liberal americans torn over president obama using drones to kill terrorists. bob beckel will give us his opinion on that. also tonight, dennis miller on north korea threatening the u.s.a., kind of. and juliet huddy on a kid who may want to be president. >> this is your time. this is my time. it's our time. >> bill: caution, you where to enter the no spin zone. the factor begins right now. >> bill: hi, i'm bill o'reilly. thanks for watching us tonight. the lack of respect epidemic in america. that is the subject of this evening's talking points memo. 18-year-old pin nuclear weaponly soto arrested in miami on sunday for possession of narcotics. caught with 26 xanax bars. a fairly large amount of that drug. she has been charged with a felony. on tuesday, she appeared before judge jorge rodriguez for a bond hearing. apparently the judge did not like her flynn pant attitude in the courtroom. he raised her bond from 5,000 to $10,000. ms. soto then began acting out. [bleep] >> come back again. come back again. bring her back again. >> what's up? >> i believe i heard you. >> yes, i did. i'm not going to deny it. >> did you say [bleep] me? >> actually, i did. >> did you say that? >> yes, sir, did i. >> oh, did you say that? >> i find new direct criminal contempt. 30 days in the county jail. >> okay. that's fine. that's fine. >> 30 days in the county jail. >> bill: now, she has no criminal record but is in big trouble. 30 day no, sir day at the beach. she will have to serve it it's clear the judge is fed up not only with ms. soto but with the entire atmosphere that we have in this country. many americans are simply disrespectful they feel they can do whatever they want to do and ms. soto is a good example of that the reason there is an epidemic of disrespect in america is mainly because of the public school system. here in new york city, the nation's largest public school operation, educators have softened the discipline code. so now students can curse at their teachers and simply get a reprimand. no suspension, just a little scolding. new york city education spokeswoman margie feinberg said new rules will keep the kids who commit low level infractions in class where they can learn from their mistakes. yeah. sure. as a former teacher, i know if the system allows students to curse out teachers in front of all students, all discipline breaks down. by the way, that's one of the reasons i said -- send my kids to catholic school in new york state. disrespect is everywhere. on the net, troubled people say the most horrendous things hiding behind their machines. on television reality program off the chart irresponsible. shows like jersey shore and this idiot thing in west virginia debase our culture all day long. the miami judge may have overreacted a bit, but he should be applauded. america has got to get back to basics. if we don't respect each other, we are headed for big trouble. i believe we are headed for big trouble. that's the memo. now for top story reaction, kate observer shane. kirsten powers democrat and fox news analyst. if you were judge powers. judge powers and this woman comes in front of you with this attitude with the hair and what would you have given her? >> well, i consulted judge napolitano on this because it did strike me that this probably wasn't legal what the judge did. can i understand the impulse to want to react with this way he said it will be reversed because it it violated the cannons of judicial ethics. you cannot bail -- you can't raise someone's bail because they offended you. the bail is meant to make sure someone. >> bill: he didn't waive the bail. he just raised it. >> raised the bail. he can't punish her through raising the bail. the judge can go through all the different things that he did in terms of the violating his role as a judge. is he not the king. he is the judge. you have to follow certain things. >> bill: by the time it is heard 30 days will be up. >> you don't go to jail for 30 days for being obnoxious and disrespectful. i believe we have a problem with disrespectful. i don't blame school system i blame the parents. >> bill: what would you have done to this woman if she said f you judge powers? what would you have done? >> nothing. >> that's the problem. >> what's your legal -- you know, what are your options? you can't throw her in jail. >> bill: hold her in contempt. >> that's not contempt though. but that's not contempt. i mean, that's not -- being rude is not contempt of court. >> bill: that's your opinion and the judge has another problem. >> that's a legal fact. >> bill: no, no, no. that's your opinion and judge napolitano's opinion. but here is the fact, powers. try to wrap your head around it. she is in jail. she is sitting there behind bars. that's where she is. and i believe she will stay there for 30 days. all right. so you are not -- you would have done nothing. and what would you have done, kate? >> i think that this is probably the best thing that's ever happened to this young woman. what the judge did, she obviously has had zero experience dealing with real consequences. any idea of what it is to show respect. the judge was perfectly within his rights to hold her in contempt. judges are always holding criminals or those who are appearing in front of them in contempt if they violate the rules of order within a courtroom. they are within their purview to do that the problem is she and our young people have zero respect. and two often we shrug our shoulders and our educators say there is nothing i can do. i don't want to be too hard on them. >> bill: they are worse than that in new york city, you know what? go ahead and curse the teacher. we're not going to take you out of the classroom. you are not going out of the classroom. >> that's a totally different situation. >> bill: that's insane. >> that's a totally different situation. it all ties into the same lack of respect epidemic. >> no, but the point is the teachers can -- i don't agree with what the new york city schools are doing. you never should tolerate a student speaking to a teacher that way. but they have control over their school. that's the difference. the question is whether the judge has the right to throw someone in jail tore. >> bill: stop, ladies, stop. powers, get out of theory land, all right? get out of theory land. just go like this for a minute. take a deep breath. >> it's not theory land. >> bill: here is what they did in new york city. >> the woman is in jail she should not be in jail. that's wrong. >> bill: okay. they did it though and that's why the epidemic is taking place. because these pinheads who run the city public school system said, you know what? we will let the kids curse out the teachers in front of the other kids. we are not going to do anything. we are not even going to take them out of the class. they can sit there and learn their lesson. that's insane. >> it is insane. >> bill: corrosive thing that not only breaks down discipline in the schools and i wonder why they have got a problem with test scores? they wonder why they have got a problem? that's why you have got problems. but, it's a contagion that spreads all over the place. and ms. soto, powers, thinks she can take as much xanax as she wants. pop right into the courtroom. flip the judge off and say f you and get away with it and if you were the judge, powers,. >> 30 days in jail. get 30 days in jail for that. >> i would have given her two weeks of community service. >> exactly. >> that's exactly what i would have done. but you don't throw them in jail. >> bill: said you wouldn't have done anything. >> raise the bail. >> he did exactly the right thing. because he took her seriously. he took her complete laughing in the face of our rule of law, of respect, of civility and he said no, there are consequences in my courtroom. and there are consequences in our society. that's what our public school system needs to start remembering because, let's also remember there are 30 other kids sitting in those classrooms. not learning while this -- all -- >> the one tyke that said f you to the teacher. he needs to learn his lesson or she. >> right. >> bill: he will sit there and smirk at the other students and pinheads in new york city will go you know what? we don't want to make his self-esteem any lower. we will put more money. in here is the solution on the liberal side. let's put more money into the school district so they can curse out even more teachers. all right? this is what the whole thing is. the crux of the thing. all right. we're going to have 20 seconds for powers. 20 seconds for you, kate, summon it up. powers? >> it's not the fault of liberals. it's not the fault of the teachers. it's the fault of the parents who are overindulging their children and the parents who freak out when their kids get in trouble at school. you really think the teachers like to be cursed out? i mean, come on. what are you saying? >> bill: teachers don't even want to be there anymore because they won't -- the principals and the school board won't back them up so they're out of there. last word, kate. >> i agree with kirsten in that patients are coming in and defending their kids when they act up this way. it's the school system that sets the rules and says certain behavior is acceptable it cannot be or we will continue to see the cycle of disrespect and entitlement. >> bill: i can tell you right now this soto woman who is is now in the slammer for 30 days, you want to see her parents? do you want to make a bet on what her parents are like? okay, ladies. thanks. next on the run down, liberals are divided over killing terrorists with drones. what does bob beckel thing? he will be here. dennis miller on north korea threatening the u.s.a. kind of and we're coming right back. all stations come over to mission a for a final go. this is for real this time. step seven point two one two. rify and lock. command is locked. five seconds. three, two, one. standing by for capture. the most innovative software on the planet... dragon is captured. is connecting today's leading companies to places beyond it. siemens. answers. gives you 1% cash back on all purchases, plus a 50% annual bonus. and everyone but her likes 50% more cash, but i have an idea. do you want a princess dress? yes. cupcakes? yes. do you want an etch-a-sketch? yes! do you want 50% more cash? no. you got talent. [ male announcer ] the capital one cash rewards card gives you 1% cash back on every purchase plus a 50% annual bonus on the cash you earn. it's the card for people who like more cash. what's in your wallet? i usually say that. >> bill: impact segment tonight. will counter terrorism advisor john brennan become the head of the cia. he testifies tomorrow on capitol hill. some liberals don't like him because he is the director of the drone program that kills terrorists from the sky. president obama very bullish on the drones. >> the strikes are legal. they are ethical and they are wise. the u.s.a. government takes great care in deciding to pursue an al qaeda terrorist to ensure precision and avoid loss of innocent life. >> bill: here now to discuss his moral dilemma over the drone issue, the co-host of the five bob beckel. all right. so, first of all, would you make brennan the head of the cia? >> not with that policy, no. until that policy was changed, i would hold him up. >> bill: he is the architect of the policy. >> that's a good reason. >> bill: you won't vote for him. >> i wouldn't vote for him unless that policy changed. talking about going after american citizens who yes are associated with terrorist groups i understand that no evidence they are doing anything about an imminent threat to the united states. what is that all about? >> bill: the president says he has evidence and doesn't order it unless is he convinced by brennan and others that these are bad guys. >> bill: this policy said -- the united states government does not underscore does not have to have operational intelligence that this person was involved in or pending. >> bill: that's not what carney just said. >> i don't care what carney said. i read the memo. >> bill: carney is speaking for the president. >> speak for the president alleluia he wants. they want to say the memo is wrong, fine. give us another memo. >> bill: tell the audience your interpretation of the memo. >> the memo says that the federal government can use drones to attack people terrorist organizations including american citizens who are involved with that terrorist organization. however, this is the important point to underscore. however, do you not have to have operational intelligence that this person is involved in or planning attack on the united states. >> bill: an attack on the united states? >> yeah. or any u.s. property. >> bill: could be helping or something like that. >> maybe he is helping, maybe he is not. that's not the point. he is a u.s. citizen. >> bill: you don't like this program in any way shape or form. >> it's constitutionally corrupt. >> bill: constitutionally corrupt. all right. now, remember waterboarding? >> yeah. >> bill: you don't like that, did you. >> no. >> bill: you were really against that right? >> i thought it was terrible idea, yeah. >> bill: which is worse drone strikes or waterboarding. >> since waterboarding doesn't kill people directly you could say drones are worse they kill people. waterboarding is torture. >> bill: your opinion because you die with the drones and you don't die with the waterboarding drones are worse. now, remember the outcry about waterboardinging, everybody jumping up and down. nbc news, i thought they were going to melt down over there you have heard anything on nbc about the drones? >> not yet. no. >> my job is not to be here to -- nbc. if you want to pick on them, pick on them yourself. >> bill: you and me having a little discussion. >> you think they suck for not doing it i don't care one way or another. >> bill: don't put words in my mouth. >> continue our chat here. >> let's chat. bill neither has my staff. we haven't heard anything. but we heard a lot about waterboarding. but nothing about don't strikes. how do you process that? >> i have no interest in processing what nbc does. >> you are intellectual guy. intellectual curiosity? why would they go crazy on waterboarding and they don't care about. >> there are people. i have no idea. editorial. why am i supposed to know what nbc does. i have hard time figuring out what you do. >> that's just an opinion. my opinion is that he then proud, everybody should focus on. >> why are they. i don't know, i have no idea. do you have an idea? >> why? because they are protecting the president. >> they're protecting the president. >> that's why they're doing it? >> that's what you think and that's what it is. >> bill: i don't care. >> you don't care? >> bill: okay. now. do you care that some the democratic senators who are very outspoken against waterboarding they don't say anything about drones either. do you care about that? >> sure, i do. i think everybody should speak out about drones. >> bill: why aren't they speaking out? >> i don't know. >> bill: again, you don't know. >> here is the problem with you. you start down this line of questioning and i have got to defend everybody's not doing something. i don't have to defend them. if they are not doing it, my advice to them is they should do it. >> bill: but you don't know why they are not doing it. you are a political analyst. >> i don't know why they eat cheerio notice morning either. are you kidding me. >> bill: can i tell you why they eat cheerios they taste good. >> i can't stand the things. >> bill: intellectual curiosity doesn't bring to you analyze why these democratic senators, your party, don't say much about drones. >> my intellectual curiosity is to try to figure out why you are going down this line of questioning. leave that asirksd i will tell you. this i think that anybody who reads that memo and believes in the constitution of the united states cannot make the square out of that doesn't work. it just doesn't work. >> bill: you think the president of the united states is doing something unconstitutional? >> i believe. >> bill: and should be impeached. >> no. no, no. not at all. >> bill: you said unconstitutional. >> this went on before him. and it's probably going to go on after him, which is too bad. waterboarding -- impeach george bush for waterboarding. >> bill: you would have if you could have. >> no. i would impeach you. >> bill: some of your guys would have. >> they would have but that's not me. >> bill: what should happen to president obama if you are right and he is doing something unconstitutional, murdering people without the right to do it? >> i that i brennan's nomination should be held up until that sentence is removed from their policy. >> bill: all right. that's all? nothing else? no waterboarding the president or anything? >> no more waterboarding, i hope forever. never did any good. >> bill: bob beckel, everybody. intellectually curious about a lot of things. he is on the five. texas declares war on california. trying to poach businesses from the golden state. fascinating situation. then, dennis miller who is intellectually curious on putin using the r and b group boys to men to urge russians to have sex. we are not kidding about this. this is happening. miller upcoming. 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>> well, here is the thing, bill. i have to say that when you compare the two states there, really is no reason why entrepreneurs would decide to stay in california. we have had more than a thousand people a day moving to texas over the last few years that's because california has 34% higher taxes. 33% bigger government. when you look at the cost of regulation, a small business owner is about $130,000 a year. texas is the country's job engine. it's been the case for many years now. and what's really interesting. >> bill: is it fair though for a governor of one state to go after business in another state because that will hurt california if people move out and jobs are lost. so, is that the right thing to do rather than just be a positiveessage and say, look, we have great state here. we hope everybody in the country takes a look at us rather than going into california and saying you know pinheads, you are idiots, we're smarting than you come over here. >> absolutely. here is why, bill. here is the bottom line. the founding of this country was based on the laboratories of democracy, which were the states. that was the brilliance of our founders. and they believed under the tenth amendment that if any-out federal government, for example, ever grew too big or got out of control that the states would stand up against that. so what have you is you have a state that focuses on limiting government, on cutting taxes, on providing incredible opportunity for everyone in texas. not just the republicans, not not -- entrepreneurs. not just the wealthy. >> bill: you frame it in a different way rather than rating. joe, look, as i said on paper, there is no contest. there really isn't. texas doesn't have a state tax. they have no corporate tax. the taxes in your state are the highest in the union. now, the weather in california is fabulous. you have got the pacific ocean there. i mean, you have a lot -- >> -- it's not just the weather. >> bill: that's why people want to live there shouldn't california be trying to -- the stats are there is a lot of people in businesses moving out of california. california is not a growth place anymore. >> well, actually california has some of the best universities. we have well capitalized companies here. all of our venture money is here. seed funding is being deployed locally. enabling companies, the creation of companies to decrease. the -- we're creating industries that never existed before here in california. and those -- we have small and large -- small, median size companies becoming institutional grade. and technologies and touching every vertical. the fact of the matter is in 20011, last stats, 254 california companies moved out of the state. that was 26% more than 10. you guys got some economic problems there in business. you are raising your taxes even further. jerry brown is going to come to your house, joe and is going to take your furniture. he is going to come right in and take your furniture. you know that. you are a rich guy. >> let me give it to you from a small businessman's. small fan network. if we do business with yahoo we go down a building. if we want to do oracle with gee up a level. we have a regional advantage. a lady by the name of anna lee who wrote a book about the failures of new england and trying to do exactly what texas is doing. it's called regional advantage. it's a good read for all politicians. i suggest texas read it it. >> bill: governor pfeffery if he wants to do it that's fain as you pointed out, joe. evidence spent some money in your state into the radio passionate. >> we appreciate it. >> >> bill: plenty more as the factor moves along this evening. karl rove vs. the tea party. right wing radio folks lashing rove. how is that playing on capitol hill? 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>> do i believe that. >> bill: okay. so it's a lot of posturing for their liberal base. we want to know and all of that. but when it comes down to it, they are not going to group against the president. rosen, last word on it, go. >> as jeffrey rosen, no relation to writes about legal matters and the supreme court for the "new york times" magazine new republic said the lawyers for george w. bush when he was president were pillarried for less than this. >> you saw woo get it alberto gonzalez get it but not here. karl rove going to be on the broadcast tomorrow night. he wants to set up some kind of organization to urge republicans to be a little bit more moderate. that has teed okay some tea party and right wing radio people. has that filtered in to the political system in washington? are they listening to that debate or is it just a media thing? >> it's definitely a lot of the media thing. also a little bit different. what mr. rove and his group would say it's not about finding more moderate candidates but about finding candidates that can win elections. the g.o.p. lost last year and they're regrouping. this isn't all that new for either party. exactly what democrats have gone through when they have been defeated and republicans have held the white house. the rnc and outside groups like roves crossroads g.p.s. what they want to do is recruit candidates not only win conservative primaries but also win a general election as well. >> everybody wants to do that there has got to be some kind of change in the republican party, i think. >> crossroads, sure, crossroads has said what it is going to do to protect incumbents from primary challengers who might falter against democrats in the general election. >> bill: that's what happened. there were tea party people who won and then they got hammered in the election and rove wants to spout off. i got rove here tomorrow we will put it to him. >> you have got to remember here, bill. this is not new for this election cycle. the republican and democratic committees have had wings of their parties responsible for protecting incumbents and getting majorities in the house and senate for decades. this is what happens in the wake of an election. winner does what they do and so do losers. >> dr. mel is the florida doctor home by the fbi. tied into menendez. who i think is in pretty big trouble, the senator from new jersey. there is melgean. now his resume, rosen, turns out to be bogus or what? >> yeah, dr. salmon melgen had his officed raided last week with allegations of medicare fraud. now a conservative web site. the washington free beacon reports that dr. melgen's resume at least as it appears online has some falsities associated with it it including, for example, his assertions therein that he graduated from the harvard middle medical school as the chief retinal studies. harvard can find no record of anyone melgen and ditto for yale. i got called and got no response for the lawyer for dr. melgen. he has not been accused of any crimes. and neither has senator menendez. >> bill: right, but this is starting to bubble here. all right. now, cammeron, we have got a minute to go. state of the union address next tuesday. we'll be on live before it. you got any inside baseball what he is going to say? >> sure. folks who might have thought his inaugural is partisan is probably going to find this more so. usual laundry list of symbolic goals and there is going to be some gusts and among them will be victims of gun violence in the audience to help the president push for gun control measures. democrats also want the president to push hard for immigration reform. republicans just announced today that florida senator marco rubio will be the republican response to all of this and he has recently signed on and help draft bipartisan immigration reform in the senate. lots of attention to him as well as the rebuttal person because he is looking at the 2016 race. the flash point the real one is going to be about the budget and automatic budget cuts facing the military. republicans today just came up with their alternative. they are real worried the president is going to let things go worse. >> bill o'reilly can i say one thing? >> yeah. >> i think you would strike a real blow against the culture the epidemic of disrespect if you started addressing karl and me by our first names. >> >> bill: i will consider that. >> no you won't. >> yes, you will. >> bill: i don't want to be disrespectful. cammeron, rosen, thank you. when we come right back, it will be miller time, the d man upset about putin. north korea threatening the u.s.a. and the iranian space monkey. miller is next. 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[splash!] >> bill: thanks for staying with us. i'm bill o'reilly in the miller time segment tonight, the north korean government's propaganda arm recently posted this on youtube. ♪ ♪ we are the world >> bill: i think that's new york city blowing up there. joining us from santa barbara with reaction, dennis miller. and you say? >> billy, before we get started, you want to know a quick difference between texas and california? >> bill: absolutely. >> jerry brown is the smartest stupid guy in the world and rick perry is the stupidest smart guy in the world. there you go. >> bill: two governors. there you go. all right, now,. >> let me bow down for politicians. hey, billy, i'm surprised that the korean sing karaoke in korean or do they use american? if they do take over new york. i would tell the vendors there that all they have to do on the hot dog carts cross out hot and sell dogs that's what they're eating over there anyway. these people just got we are the world this week for god's sake? what's with that language? what's with that print? it looks like the equation on the chalkboard in goodwill hunting. listen, if there weren't so many -- hang on, billy, sorry, it's drone season out here. [ laughter ] >> bill: i don't even know -- i should know. i should have gotten the translation. >> why don't we send some of these domestic drones over there and smoke that belister the next time he is doing a gangnam style video. >> bill: we need to get rid of them. what the korean on the screen said was we are giving you topics for dennis miller. i think that's what it says. >> i appreciate korea setting me up. wait a second, bill. >> bill: this is drones? is that what is going on there? >> so many domestic drones. let's send some over there and start smoking the bad guys instead of hovering them over the countryside in the middle of america. >> bill: now, miller, are you a big boys to men fan? stocked up on the boys to men? >> they have been around it's boys to elderly men at this point. okay? >> bill: okay. but be that as it may putin just got on to them. and putin wants the russians to have more kids. so he is directing the russians to boys to men. roll the tape. ♪ make love to you ♪ like you want me to ♪ and i will hold you tight ♪ baby all through the night ♪ i'll make love to you ♪ when you want me to ♪ and i will -- >> bill: there is no truth to the rumor that putin is going to force all russians to dress like boys to men. that's not going to happen. but he does want them to listen there. and you say? >> boys to men dresses like glenn beck. for god's sake. why do they need these guys? doesn't he realize that just him being shirtless is enough to make everybody in the country horny. they want to get the sex rate up over there, they ought to hatch a system where you don't have to wait in line for six hours to get a bag to put over somebody's head. all right? putin is crazy. the guy before him in north korea is crazy. what are we reaching out to these morons for for god's sake? everybody is talking about inclusion. one big world these people are freaking crazy. >> bill: let's go to iran where boys to men would be immediately executed. >> bill: let's get off the crazy people and go over there. >> bill: more sane people. the iranian monkey. now there are charges that the monkey may be fraudulent. miller. that this morningy might not have gone into space. >> look at the monkey. look at the look on his face. he is thinking i can't believe these morons are in charge of me. hey, you want to do me a favor? put me in a rocket and shoot me into space because i'm in hell right here. this place is a living hell. send me up into space. i don't know if it's the same monkey. who knows? some people say i think i was reading your book, billy. killing ahmadinejad when lee harvey chimp came back from moscow he was two inches shorter than when he went over there if i am not mistaken. who cares about these crazy people? these are the people reaching out to. build a fence, change the locks. we have got to stay away from everybody. we have got big problems in this country. we're more in the red than that -- billy, this country is more in the red than that kid's face who made out with bar ralphly in the super bowl ad. we are worried about becoming friends with these three idiots. for god's sakes. >> bill: i just want to make two observations you are saying that the monkey would be anywhere rather than iran he doesn't care. >> you can see it in the monkey's face he is saying how in the hell did i end up in this rat hole? please. >> bill: the second thing is that your theory is they aren't procreating in russia because of the topless pictures of putin, that's put everybody off? >> yeah. all you need is to see a little bit of putin's orioles you never want to bunk again. handling chimps with they are handling the monkey the chimp asked them to do that. >> bill: dennis miller, everybody. i don't know how much of that we will use but we will try. d man and i will see new los angeles at the nokia theater march 1st, also in d.c. april 26th. west bury long island. we have two new bolder fresher dates. denver colorado at the buel theater friday january 31st. kansas city the next day saturday june 22nd. tickets go on sale tomorrow. check it all out on bill o'reilly.com. did you see he that on deck. kid who wants to be president and did florida offend working women? juliet huddy moments away. all stations come over to mission a for a final go. this is for real this time. step seven point two one two. rify and lock. command is locked. five seconds. three, two, one. standing by for capture. the most innovative software on the planet... dragon is captured. is connecting today's leading companies to places beyond it. siemens. answers. the new florida recruit many logo which shows a man's necktie in the word florida. >> i thought immediately that it sets back all the work that we have done. it's not like they have to make it pink or girlie, but maybe put a briefcase or something. >> bill: i was very offended and here now to weigh in juliet huddy. >> no, you weren't. >> bill: i was shocked. >> oh, please. >> bill: that florida would do that. put a tie in the eye? >> because they are sexist. those floridians. >> bill: you know, if i were a woman in florida, i would quit my job and move to texas or something. >> i don't really understand this. this is created -- i don't understand the outcry over this. this was created by a group called enterprise florida. business leaders in florida and state leaders, who are just trying to get. >> bill: you are a working woman. have you worked your whole life, right? >> pretty much, yeah. all 25 years. >> bill: you want -- and then you want. you are not offended by this florida thing. >> no. >> bill: showing the necktie, the symbol of male dominance. >> i have seen women wear neckties. it's actually very cute. i know you make funnel of me makeup and dark eye lashes. >> bill: would you wear a necktie next week for us? >> yes, i would. >> bill: we will look forward to that. >> huddy not as offend tsd as i was. >> bill: i was shocked. >> he is joking. >> bill: little kid, is he on the internet, and 9 million people have seen him do, this go. >> i think we all need a pep talk. like that dude says. don't stop believing. get a better dream. i that's how it goes. get a better dream and keep going. keep going, keep going and keep going. michael jordan he didn't quit but he retired. he retired. but before that, in high school, what if he quit when he didn't make the team? he would never make space jam and i love space jam. >> bill: so the kid is a miniature flip wilson or something, right? [ laughter ] >> bill: doing a bit. >> he is so cute. his name is robby. he is from henderson, tennessee. sort of doing these videos a while ago where he pretended like he was the president. basically trying to be like a little mini president. but he got picked up by youtube politics. youtube politics then ended up, this web site picked that up this has become this thing that has exploded. >> bill: soul pancake is that a web site. >> web site. ray wilson the actor, the goofy guy that's on the office? no. >> of course you wouldn't. it's a cool show. >> bill: looks like the guy that lives next door to me that mows his lawn at 7:30. >> i will take care of that guy. rainn wilson come up with this web site and this kid's video is on it. >> bill: 9 million people. >> i feel like you are wrapping me already. >> bill: i am. we have to go to serious things, huddy. you are a, woulding woman and i am proud of you. 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number of catholic bishops who implied that his budget had about as much to do with christian compassion as a crate of acid. and others like sister simone campbell who led a 17-city nuns on the bus tour highlighting all of the faith-based programs that would be destroyed if mr. ryan's budget were ever to be implemented. once again mr. ryan spoke with forked tongue and the people were not having it. which brings us back to the challenge facing the gop. republicans like paul ryan are now trying to wash their brutal policies in a kind of fabric conditioner. but they're still offering the same hair shirt to the nation. and until their policies properly reflect some essential aspects of the christian gospel, then they should spare us all the religious clap chat. because as the new testament makes clear, faith without works is dead. you could always follow us on twitter and facebook. do like our page at facebook.com/bashirlive. thanks for watching. chris matthews and "hardball" is next. ♪ >>> war on drones. let's play "hardball." ♪ >>> good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. let me start tonight with this. just a day before the president's chief counterterrorism adviser john brennan heads to capitol hill for his confirmation hearing to take over the cia, the white house has to answer some tough questions about its overseas drone program. the catalyst is a leaked white house memo obtained by nbc's michael isikoff that justifies in certain cases attacks on american citizens abroad. the white house has forced strong criticisms from advocates over the drone policy. ron wyden tweeted today every american has the right to know when the government believes it is allowed to kill them. what's surprising people is how much most americans seem to casually accept this as the cost of doing business in a dangerous world. eugene robbins is a columnist and david corn is from mother jones. both are msnbc political analysts. let's take a look here at ed carney, the president's spokesman, talk about this. it was a briefing today and carney defended the president's position on drones but also faced some tough questions. let's listen. >> i won't talk about specific instances, but the fact is that the methods that we use are designed specifically to avoid civilian casualties. i think it's fair to say that far fewer civilians lose their lives in an effort to go after senior leadership in al qaeda along the lines we were discussing here as opposed to an effort to invade a country with hundreds of thousands of troops and take towns. >> why are you dancing around the question of whether or not we kill civilians? why won't the government admit? >> i don't think i'm dancing around it. i didn't dispute it. >> you didn't necessarily -- >> what i can't do -- >> civilians have been killed, right? >> i don't disagree with that. >> okay, gene. you've written about this. you're on the inside of their thinking. what are they saying besides that about why we have to use drones? >> first of all that people ought to be asking questions. because this is the way it is now and not the way it used to be. and they say, look. we have to do counterterrorism. we didn't ask to, but we have to. we've come very close to some serious attacks, and the capabilities of drones now are such that this is our best weapon. so they think they absolutely have to use drones. but there are a lot of questions that ought to be asked. and one of them is should there be some sort of judicial oversight, something like the fisa court? >> yeah. doesn't that throw the hot potato to another individual who has to make judgment and that person would be appointed as well. >> especially when you're talking about a u.s. citizen, i think it's not unreasonable to say and it would be my opinion that there ought to be another set of eyes on it. and of course it's at the white house. you can convince yourself of a lot of things. >> i understand this. look. here's the question. it seems we have a limited arsenal of what to do. we find out somewhere in yemen or saudi or somewhere in the world, pakistan for example, we understand there's an activity that's basically a group of people putting together a plan to attack us. we have three means of stopping that. we can use the drones which are amazing. we can use a s.e.a.l. team attack. men go in and attack and kill people then leave by helicopter i guess. or invade the country and go to war. or you do nothing. i don't know anybody in either political party of any persuasion that down the road will be able to stand up and say i knew the enemy was planning stuff, i knew who they were, i refused to ask because i was squeamish. in the end you have to choose. you have to choose something to do. >> this week particularly we're rolling a couple of different issues together. there's the issue of whether to use a drone to attack an american civilian. that's what the memo was about that our pal mikist cough revealed. >> where are are you on that? >> i think the memo did not make a strong enough case on imminence -- as long as there's one informed high level official, that's not good enough. i'm with gene. you got to have -- >> what about the principle? do we have the right to kill a person who's decided to be against their country? do we have the right? >> i think if you find someone operationally involved in terrorist activity or terrorist group that is active and has the ability to strike, yes. it's a high standard. >> in other words, a soldier on the other side. >> not someone who's just a propagandist but someone involved in some operational way -- >> so to the blog sites somewhere in the world that's putting anti-american attitudes, you can't kill them. >> no. >> on the issue of principle, did we have the right to kill benedict arnold? >> sure. and the case is in yemen, the american citizen who was planning attacks who had plotted at least a couple that we know of, very active. high ranking in al qaeda. and we killed him with a drone. so i shed no tears for him. and i think nobody else does. the fact he's an american citizen doesn't bother me. what does bother me is bit, though, is that there's no structure. there's no process that goes beyond the -- >> what abuse are you concerned about? gene? >> well, look. >> let's say it's a murky case. it's a cleric, just a propagandist. if it's that, you wouldn't go along with that. >> you can have the highest regard for the people in the white house. president obama, brennan. but you can realize they're only going to be there for three more years. we're setting precedence. this is the way warfare is going to be. this is the way counterterrorism is going to be. this is a weapon. they make the point that this is a flexible, very useful, valuable weapon that -- >> what's wrong with trusting the judgment of people around obama and not trusting the judgment or the values of people around saying dick cheney? >> you can't take it back. >> if you give the power to -- if you give the power to this president, then you expect the next president to have more powers. so you need something to frame. and i would say the case about the american citizens is very kind of an outliar. it's going to happen from time to time. that's not the core of this. i commend everybody to read the front page story of "the new york times" about the use of drones -- >> let's go the difference between a drone attack and a s.e.a.l. attack? what's the difference? a manned and unmanned attack? there's more americans getting killed obviously. >> if you read "the new york times" story this morning, it talks about instances where clerics who wanted to work with the united states got killed in the same attack and the amount of resentment that's being engendered. >> what do we do? >> what do you do? perhaps in some cases you have to put more of your own blood at risk and go in with a s.e.a.l. attack where there is less possibility of getting it wrong or having collateral damage. >> how would you judge that -- no, david. you're sitting here. what would you do if you were president or a commander in chief, same thing, or general or cia director. and you choose whether we send in 20 guys, we're going to lose 5 or 10. if we use a drone, we'll kill five family members. >> commanders make those decisions all the time. and they're damn difficult to make. if you look at what's happening in yemen now, you have whole villages that literally watch the drones for days above them. and they see them as signals and messages of america power or arrogance and they realize that they're going to come down and strike somebody there. and it may hit them as well. and that has a real potential -- >> where is that happening right now? >> in yemen. you've got to weigh those things in. >> gene? >> i'm somewhat less concerned about what has happened today than what's going to happen in the future. and i really think that's -- so my issue is not so much that the decision was made to go after ai law key. >> what should be the protocol? >> i think what they do is fine but there should be something like the fisa court that can -- look. as a practical matter, it's going to rubber stamp most of what the white house wants to do. >> and this would be like going to a judge for a warrant. >> right. there can be an outlier. there can be a case in which -- >> the interesting thing -- >> a dispassionate observer decides, you know, this is not fairly right. this is too close a call. and i would like -- >> you would like to have a dialogue where someone says are you sure there's an actual terrorist plot here? your intelligence could be your standard? >> there's a whole conversation about imminence and what does imminence mean. and i get imminence doesn't mean the hijackers are boarding the planes. it's way ahead of that. but there's -- >> there's a benefit to having a fisa court too. i know people that worked on the fisa court. it makes the people coming to the court -- this is when you get wiretaps. it makes them do their job better. they have to meet certain standards. >> i like this. we're raising a lot of questions here. one is is there a terrorist attack at foot? is there an american involved? and how do you trade off civilian casualties, collateral damage if you want to call it that, and american casualties? mike rogers chair of the house intelligence committee defended the president today and he's a republican. he said that anwar allah key zvshed to be killed. and he countered the criticism that there's no oversight of the program. let's listen to him. >> this is somebody who had said that he didn't want his u.s. citizenship anymore. he had officially joined al qaeda. al qaeda he did claired war on the united states. once you made that choice, you no longer get the protections you would. if you've joined the enemy overseas, you've joined the enemy overseas and we're going to fight them. we have oversight into it. i knew about the operations. the targeting sets all of that leading up to it including very shortly thereafter. and i review all of the air strikes that we use under this title of the law. >> well, that's a good interview for andrea to get that guy. he says once the guy's turned and it's manifestly so, it's easier for us. it's easier for us. >> it is. but it's not just about policy. it is about procedures. and so the memo yesterday had a lot of troubling aspects to it. as we talked about yesterday throughout the network. and so if you want to do these things and if you could make a good argument, then you should have a good procedure that reinforces that so there is some what of a semblance -- >> tomorrow john brennan, will he hit on this tomorrow? >> you'll hear a lot about this on the hearings. i don't think he'll get beat up that much. but people will ask questions they ought to ask. he has talked about this to the extent he can. >> there's one big issue described by people in the white house. >> i'd trust you running a fisa court. i would. i'm not sure just some judge doing family court -- i want to know the person that has sensitivity about what america needs for its defense and what we need to protect our constitution. both. >> it's just having an unbudsman type person overseeing this saying bring me better intelligence, let's double check. and in some administrations you can trust that perhaps more than in others. so it's good to have an independent look. >> i'd like to see a strong leech of dick cheney. >> i know. he'll be back. >> you got a good briefing. you don't need a briefing. >>> when we come back, the republican party's rebuilding year. joe scarborough is struggling with trying to rebuild the party. this is "hardball," the place for politics. 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tonight an expert, a passionate believer that politics can get better. my colleague joe scarborough. here's the question. how do you keep this huge tent the republican party has built in the last 30 or 40 years with people from the south, the west, the miners, the ranchers, the religious right, all those people that have decided the republican party is their natural home and yet you have people in the fringe costing you your image. >> well, you've got to stand up to people on the fringe. you know, when parties go extreme they get roundly defeated. it happened to democrats in 1984. it happened to the republican neocons on 2006. it happened in the off-year elections back in 2010. americans thought democrats went too far to the left, and they punished them and to almost historic proportions in that election. but 2012, republicans got punished because they were the party of todd akin instead of the party of colin powell. they were the party of richard mourdock instead of the party of george h.w. bush. he wanted nothing to do with except that a guy like powell is necessary if you're going have two wings. chris, we've lost five out of the last six popular votes in presidential races. and a lot of the reason why is because we've had a lot of discord voices to the extreme that first left the democratic party because they became too extreme starting in 1968. >> let's talk about the leadership issue. let's take something like the gun issue. i think the gun issue is very tough. i am despondent to the point of believing there are so many guns in existence right now, i don't know how you stop the water fall that's been going on for generations. wayne lapierre, he took some heat on fox news over the web video that mentioned the president's daughter. listen to this. i think some people are going to say wayne lapierre still has the hammer lock on people from pennsylvania, indiana, ohio. right across the country to the far west except maybe california and new york and connecticut. you don't want to go to the war with the nra. what do you make of that? should they stay arm in arm with the nra? go on semiautomatics but maybe challenge them on background checks? where do you draw the line on the right there? >> well, there's some things the republicans have to do if they want to play smart. they're going to have to go after gun trafficking. there's a good bipartisan bill on the house floor. and republicans need to get on board on that or they're going to be punished even to the off-year elections. they need to get on board with universal registration. wayne lapierre agreed with that in 1999. and many agree with that. >> on background checks. >> yes. universal background checks. >> not registration. you'll pay for that tomorrow morning. >> i'm actually paying for it right now. no. it was -- but universal background checks is something that 91% of americans support. it's something the republicans n need to embrace. and if the republicans do just those two things, they can say they're responding not only to what's happening in sandy hook but what's happening in chicago every night, what's happening across america every night. >> let me try this. it seems the two party played roles. it's not the mommy and daddy party. the fact that republicans were good on national defense and law and order and capital punishment, all the tough guy stuff. it seems the two parties still have advantages in what they can do that the other can't do. can the republican party put teeth in an immigration reform bill? you really will have guest workers. you will have the parts that work economically and will give some enforcement power to it. not just the nice stuff of letting people become citizens over time. why don't the two parties put -- the republicans put the teeth in, the democrats put the bennys in it. >> it makes sense, doesn't it? you can say the same thing about entitlement reform, national defense. there are things the republican party can do to differentiate themselves from the democratic party, but we're not going to win elections if we continue to be like i said before, the party of todd akin or richard mourdock. >> is karl rove right? you have to be gate keepers, people like party chairs, big fund raisers. >> of course. of course they are. but i don't know that karl rove after his performance in 2012 should be the gate keeper. he was inside the bubble as much as anybody else so much so that he melted down on election night. you know, it was almost like trying to get james brown off the stage. you had to keep going out there saying it's over. it's over. >> into a superstar. that's all i know. that was one night she won the battle. >> she won the battle there. but you need somebody like haley barbour who understands in '93 and '94 had to rebuild the party. haley barbour who would come on our show with other people wouldn't embrace olympia snow. even on jim jeffert's most liberal day -- it's pretty simple. we got to do what we do in alabama when it comes to football. we've got to realize it's about winning. this electoral process, it's not a primal screen therapy. it's not about screaming and yelling and talk about all of your resentments and feeling good about yourself. it's about what i say every day on the show. not just winning in northwest florida but winning the suburbs of philadelphia. how do you do that? you don't do that by defending the survivalist wing of the nra. you don't do that by debating contraception which was taken care of by the court in '65. you don't do that by obsessing on small ball. you do it be focusing on winning. only people like haley barbour it seems in this republican party lately have figured out how to do that. we've lost five of the six last elections when it comes to poplar vote. it's well past time for us to get our act together and start obsessing over winning elections again. >> read all the books you can on wende we knndell wilke. he's you. who i think define what is you just talked about. a reasonable man who said hitler's our enemy. get ready to fight him. no messing around. thank you. >> right. thank you, chris. >> tomorrow morning you start at 6:00 eastern for three big hours of "morning joe." >>> up next, a little spat between the governors of the two biggest states. this is "hardball," the place for politics. how do you keep an older car running like new? 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>> losing michigan would not have been a positive experience. we went into an expensive state. and it was a state that had a lot of symbolic ghosts. and it was really hand to hand. >> here we are to walk down memory lane with us joan walsh. salon's editor at large. and msnbc political analyst crawly. let's go to joan. this is joy through others' tragedy. everybody loves that. here you have a butterfly collection. flattened out butterflies of things that went wrong. i have to be reminded here the first sign that romney wasn't such a great candidate for president was he was losing consistency to people like newt gingrich and rick santorum who know one would have ever thought of running for president. and still could never get into their heads they could imagine them as president. yet republican primary and caucus voters were choosing them rather than this good looking guy with credentials. something must have been wrong with him. >> right. watching his advisers it's like they never registered that. like you said they carpet bombed newt. the fact that newt came back and hit them hard. >> like freddy krueger. >> right. came back like freddy krueger like he always does seemingly. but newt and rick perry did unveil the bain attacks. they did romney's work on one hand, but there was a way to say perry and gingrich isn't going to win. but they are both revealing something disturbing about your candidate and we better get a story ready. we better figure out how to counter that. they never figured out how to counter it until election day. >> one winning strategy for the obama campaign, an uh-oh moment for team romney was to define romney early when he was in primary mode. while the romney campaign was raising tons of cash in the late spring and early summer, they were legally barred from using it until the general elections. obama going after romney, romney unable to respond because of election law. >> during this period we were raising a lot of money, but it wasn't all money that we could immediately send out the door. >> the donors would call saying why aren't you on tv? i was saying let me explain what money we can use. very frustrating to us. >> one of the biggest decisions we made was to bet on the front end of the campaign. in the month of october, ads mean much less because there's so much coverage. debates are so dominant. and that we had an imperative which was to define the race and frankly to define mitt romney before the conventions. and that, you know, it was better to -- it was a hilarious proposition to bet on a -- take money out of september and october, put it into may, june, and july. so the other big thing that happened in june was we started running ads about mitt romney. >> so one thing, michael, it's one thing to say you spent a lot of money and time in the beginning defining he was a rich guy not caring about people. then to come along completing the alley-oop with the 47% comment. >> he said too much has been made of the idea that the obama campaign was hitting rearview mirror in the spring and summer. that the numbers were actually pretty stable. but i think what they did was they kind of set up as you say, they kind of dug a trap that he ended up walking into. so did they decide the race? did they crush and destroy romney in that interrag numb before he was able to spend his own money because of campaign finance restrictions? no. they didn't completely destroy him. what they did was they set him up. >> the alley-oop play. that's when one of the players throws the ball up high over the net and the tall guy at the post, he jumps up in the air and stuffs that baby down and makes sure everybody sees. it's great. who can forget that first debate? that's one you and i can't forget in denver, joan. he stunned his supporters and gave me a disaster in my brain. let's look at mitt romney. he might have made a lot of obama supporters say uh-oh. it didn't hurt his poll numbers though according to jim messina. the first debate apparently didn't register heavily in the polling. let's take a look. >> it changed the structure of the race. and we saw that our polling. people who may have closed their mind to governor romney suddenly reopened it. and it made for a much better october than september. because in september we were dealing with the fallout. from the 47% video. >> what we saw in our internal numbers was they got back what they lost from the 47%. we never went behind. we never went down less than -- never went -- our lead never shrunk less than two and a half points. we were pretty sure we were okay the entire time. >> joan and michael, it's a key question. i didn't know this. i thought obama had dropped below after that bad performance. is that your reading? he never really lost the lead even though he had a bomb of a night in denver? >> i'm not going to call john a liar. the polls i looked at it in the swing states, he did fall behind. when you're within the margin of error, you have a lot of anxious people. i think lots of national democrats and local democrats are going to say we probably spent a lot of money and a lot of energy that we would have spent on, you know, house races or senate races. he took a beating in the polls. maybe didn't fall under. >> but i think he's wrong and you're right. i'm right. i think it almost killed him. one more night like that, he would have lost the race. thank you michael crowley from time magazine and joan walsh from salon. >>> turning to the far right to find candidates for the senate. this time it's paul broun the guy who called evolution a lie from the pit of hell. he's running in georgia, probably win down there. that's good for the ds. this is "hardball," the place for politics. are probably gonna double. but, dad, you've got... 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there are people applauding it. you can't say they don't exist. >> that's exactly right. there are people who like this. there are paleo conservatives. people who believe that this person is the person to be the face of the republican party. and then you have the karl roves who are trying to bring it to the middle who just don't understand. >> see, i don't know about that. i think when you look -- i'm from minnesota. and when you look at -- >> you're from minnesota. >> right, sure i am. and you have steve king in iowa. >> let's look at iowa. he's right up there with this minage ree with paul brown. >> we have a very, very urban senator, barack obama, who's decided he's going to run for president. we've got to stand up and say we're not going to pay slavery reparations in the united states of america. that was over a century ago. government can sit down and decide to pay reparations with money borrowed from the chinese. >> i'm sort of a thadeus stevens type of gie, but i haven't heard that raised as an issue. who is he arking with? 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to delay those massive cuts. joining me now for our daily fix chris caliz sdmr a and managing editor of post politics.com, and nbc's capitol hill correspondent kelly o'donnell. first to you, chris. it seems as though the president is trying one last time, perhaps it's not the last time, to take it to congress. is this going to work? >> i think what he saw, andrea, was this expectation that we had a couple of months ago, honestly, that while they would never let the sequester happen, it's this kind of across the board cut that cuts domestic, that cuts defense spending, and that politicians don't want this on either side. i think what the president and his senior team realized as well, republicans may not want it, but they seem okay to let it happen. they don't have to vote. nothing has to happen. it just -- the date comes, and the sequester happens. i think this is an attempt to say, look, we don't want to do this kind of blind cut john boehner's initial reaction doesn't suggest this year going to be open to tshg but clearly a cam bet to say it's not enough to just sit back and let this sequester happen. nobody gets blamed. everybody does it. there's no way to take a vote on it. where is the coalition of support to stop the sequesters? >> well, there has been a growing sense of inevitability for the reasons you outlined, that everybody can have hands off and watch the deficit go down by what they built into this system, what was intended to be the ultimate stick because they had not been able to resolve longer term solutions to the budget, so these sweeping cuts would help to kind of reset the order and put the country on a path to saving some money. you have republicans now, and fiscal conservatives, particularly, who say that if the sequester does happen, it will be a way to force the country into recognizing the need for further cuts. as some of the measures go into effect, that would create another time of urgency to get to the table and talk about this. the president and senate democrats will talk about additional tax revenue which they thought was settled as a way to put this forward. what is happening where senate democrats are having a retreat, meeting behind closed doors, looking at how long could they delay the sequester, how much time could they buy themselves, and how would they pay pour it? would there be cuts elsewhere or new revenue, some kinds of new tacks? they're trying to resolve that. the president has been criticized for not taking more of a forward step on sec west rags. today is a critical move for him to put his own marker down. andrea. >> when the president sees those senate democrats, kelly and chris, are any of them going to speak up, raise their hand and say, hey, you need to be more engaged with us, and we're not so happy about the people taking over your congressional relations office? >> that's interesting. that is a critical link, and we do see a change happening there where rob neighbors, who had been working is moving into a promotion within the white house. committee chairs and so forth want more connection directly with the president and his senior staff want more communication. so being at this retreat, as they call it, is a way to try to air some of that out. there's been a lot of concern about where would the cuts be? if they are talking sequestration and who would get the blame? that's one of the real concerns about how this gets away from them if they don't plan a strategy for making reasonable cuts that they know has to happen and not having their own most important interest groups bare the brunt of this. >> chris, i want to ask you about that as well. >> well, i was just -- i just wanted to add, one pass naturing thing. president obama has been clear to say, look, i spent too much time playing the inside game in my first four years. we're going to go out to the american public and sell these policies. now, everybody thinks, oh, he is going to put pressure on republicans, and he will. there are lots of democrats that don't love the idea of this kind of end run that he is going to kind of bypass congress and use the american people to leverage congress. there's lots of democrats who that sentiment doesn't sit all that well with, and kelly is right. look, this is an straix. it's not unique. it's an administration that there's been plenty of grumbling about that president obama has not spent muff time courting them, that he doesn't care about them. he was very briefly a member of congress and it's not a priority. i think some of that just goes with the territory. that theenz democrats too as well as republicans. >> chris, kelly, thank you both very much. >>> immigration reform, joining me now, one of the lawmakers who took part in today's congressional hearings, the house hearings on immigration policy. ru ease gutierrez, thank you very much. this was sort of the opening act on the house side. we've seen a big shift on republicans -- in republicans and a lot of action coming from the senate. what are you seeing on the house side? >> well, here's what i'm seeing on the house side. here we have the judiciary committee, and it's first hearing on the full committee. what are we discussing? immigration. some would say, well, the kind of focussing on the high skilled industry and the need for more. that's good. i support more visas. part of comprehensive immigration reform is making sure that all our industries, including the high-tech industry, that their workers are able to come to this country with their wives, with their children, and integrate. those that have been working ino vating, so many of our industries in america, hey, it's time to let their wives and their children and for them to be able to integrate themselves. i am all good with that. i think the important thing is that the dialogue and the conversation has begun. the president invited me to come see him a couple of fridays ago with other colleagues of the hispanic congressional caulk yeahs, and i have to say, andrea, i was blown away when he said this is his top priority. to work with this president after that incredible victory of over five million votes in which he was given a mandate. the american people said, hey, let's get xrensive immigration reform done. democrats wanted the president is going to articulate that. republicans really need comprehensive immigration reform. i think today is the first education. >> are you getting any indication that you can come to an agreement on path to citizenship? not just on border security and on doing something with the h1b visas. >> i think that in the end we should never create a subclass of people. everybody should always be able to reach citizenship. i think it's important because i want them to have all the same responsibilities and obligations that i and you have as citizens of this nation along with all of the benefits, because that really makes the nation stronger. where you talk about fabric, that's the glue that keeps us together, right? self-departation is the way to get rid of 12 million undocumented workers. wait a minute. sb 1070, the anti-immigration law in arizona, that should be replicated in the other 49 states, and romney said he would veto the dream act. what a sea change to talking about they can stay in this country and we need to fix our immigration system. i welcome that conversation and that dialogue. finally there are people moving to solve the problem. >> congressman, there is a rather disturbing study with some new data today, which says that two-thirds of mexican -- of emgrants from mexico who could legally apply to citizenship don't. >> what is your read? is it a language barrier? is it cultural? are there legal barrier that is i'm not aware of? >> sure. it's almost $700 to apply. >> when i got to congress, it was $90. $90. now it's $700. when you think of family units, it's not just one, it could be three or four. we need to deal with that. the other thing is our community needs to continue to reach out and to help and to facilitate that process of citizenship. look, the important thing is the avenue b allows sxb there. i think for those that say we don't want them to be citizens, maybe they can look at this report to see that what we're talking about is we should allow them to be there. let me just say in addition to this, look, they do want to become citizens. the last person that i personally filled out the form was 102 years old. her 79-year-old son brought her to my office. 79-year-old son brought her to my office and says my mom is 102, and i asked her -- i said why do you want to be a citizen? she said i want to die just like my children, a citizen of this nation. i don't want to die without achieving citizenship. because she loves this country and wants to be just like her kids. that story is being replicated across this country. let's give them as we've given everybody that's come here an opportunity to make that ultimate commitment and sacrifice with all the responsibilities and obligations that come along with american citizenship. >> janet napolitano was on the board stressing the border security piece of this, which the coalition and the senate, the bipartisan group says has to be hand in hand and if not preceding what is done on path to citizenship. >> i agree you cannot secure the border until we have somehow have a system in the united states to check people that are being employed here and have an id check for people that are already here in the united states and allow them to come out of the shadows. let me just share this with you, andrea. one of the first bills then senator barack obama and i introduced together was to reduce the fees and help people become american citizens. secondly, i talked to mayor rahm emanuel and others about how it is we take this financial roadblock to citizenship and try to alleviate it. yes, they need to pay. it shouldn't be free. but at the same time let's make sure it's one that strengthens the fabric of our american society. >> just wanted to play a little bit of what napolitano said along the border. sdmroog. >> sure. >> our am gregs system has been broken for far too long. the time to fix it has come. time is of the essence. i believe the border is secure. i believe the border is a safe border. that's not to say that everything is 100%. >> so she's just making the points that you have just made as well. we're going to have to leave it there, but thank you very much. let's keep talking about this, congressman. >> looking forward to it, andrea. >> coming up next, a new report with some disturbing revelations about the outsourcing of torture over the last decade. and the cia's past use of secret detentions. sfwlimplgts plus, the disturbing vote out of north korea that appears to show new york city in flames after a dream sequence of a nuclear attack. this is "andrea mitchell reports" only on msnbc. ldn't itl if we took the nissan altima and reimagined 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strength and pace of our recovery. >> economist and business leaders have said our economy is poised for progress in 2013, and we've seen signs of this progress over the last several weeks. home prices continue to climb. car sales are at a five-year high. manufacturing has been strong and we have created more than six million jobs in the last 35 months. we've also seen the effects that our political dysfunction -- the drawn-out process for resolving the fiscal cliff. the threat of massive automatic cuts have already started to affect business decisions. we've been reminded while it's critical for us to cut wasteful spending, we can't just cut our way to prosperity. deep indiscriminate cuts to things like education and training, energy, and national security will cost us jobs. it will slow down our recovery. it's not the right thing to do for the economy. it's not the right thing for folks who are out there still looking for work. the good news is this doesn't have to happen. for all the drama and disagreements we've had over the past few years, democrats and republicans have still been able to come together and cut the deficit by more than $2.5 trillion through a mix of spending cuts and higher rates on taxes for the wealthy. a balanced approach has achieved more than $2.5 trillion in deficit reduction. that's more than halfway towards the $4 trillion in deficit reduction that economists and elected officials from both parties believe is required to stabilize our debt. so we've made progress. i still believe that we can finish the job with a balanced mix of spending cuts and more tax reform. the proposals that i have put forward during the fiscal cliff negotiations in discussions with speaker boehner and others, are still very much on the table. i just want to repeat, the deals that i put forward, the balanced approach of spending cuts and entitlement reform and tax reform that i put forward are still on the table. i have offered sensible reforms to medicare and other entitlements, and my health care proposals achieved the same amount of savings by the beginning of the next decade as the reforms that have been proposed by the bipartisan bowls simple son fiscal commission. these reforms radio reduce our government's bill. what's up, cameraman? come on, guys. they're breaking my flow all the time. these reforms would reduce our government's bills by reducing the costs of health care, not shifting all those costs on to middle class seniors or the working poor or children with disability, but nevertheless, achieving the kinds of savings that we're looking for. but in order to achieve the full $4 trillion in deficit reductions that is the stated goal of economists and our elected leaders, these modest reforms in our social insurance programs have to go hand in hand with a process of tax reform so that the wealthiest individuals and corporations can't take advantage of loopholes and deductions that aren't available to most americans. leaders in both parties have already identified the need to get rid of these loopholes and deductions. if we are going to close these loopholes, then there's no reason we should use the saving that is we obtain and turn around and spend that on new tax breaks for the wealthiest or for corporations. if we're serious about paying down the deficit, the savings we achieve from tax reform should be used to pay down the deficit, and potentially to make our businesses more competitive. now, i think this balanced mix of spending cuts and tax reform is the best way to finish the job of deficit reduction. the overwhelming majority of the american people democrats as well as republicans, have the seam view, and both the house and the senate are working towards budget professionals that help reflect this budget approach. having said that, i know that a full budget maent be finished before march 1st. unfortunately, that's the date when a series of harmful automatic cuts to job creating cuts and defense spending, also knowns athe sequester, are scheduled to take effect. if congress can't act immediately on a bigger package, if they can't get a bigger package done by the time the sequester is scheduled to go into effect, then i believe that they should at least pass a smaller package of spending cuts and tax reforms that would delay the economically damaging effects of the sequester for a few more months until congress finds a way to replace these cuts with a smarter solution. there is no reason that the jobs of thousands of americans who work in national security or education or clean energy, not to mention the growth of the entire economy, should be put in jeopardy just because folks in washington couldn't come together to eliminate a few special interest tax loopholes or government programs that we agree need some reform. congress is already working towards a budget that would permanently replace the sequester at the very least we should give them the chance to come up with this budget instead of making indiscriminate cuts now that will cost us jobs and significantly slow down our recovery. so let me just repeat, our economy right now is headed in the right direction, and it will stay that way as long as there aren't any more self-inflicted wounds coming out of washington. let's keep on chipping away at this problem together, as democrats and republicans, to give our workers and our businesses the support that they need to thrive in the weeks and months ahead. thanks very much, and i know that you're going to have a whole bunch of other questions, and that's why i hired this guy, jay carney, to take those questions. thank you, everybody. >> and as the president left without taking any questions with an wrerl shot at the camera crews for flashes of light that he said disturbed his flow, we want to return to the whole controversial issue of that memo and mike isikopf with us here still. i did talk to the people in the white house about this. they said that, look, this policy has been very clearly defined publicly defined by john brennan and his speech at harvard by jay johnson, the former head -- the former lead counsel at the pentagon. and by eric holder today. but eric holder seemed to be either conflating or combining imminent threat with ongoing threat. tell me about the memo itself. >> that is exactly the rub. they have -- it is certainly true that administration officials, all those you mentioned, have articulated that it is the bottom administration policy that targeted killings of americans who are associated with al qaeda are lawful and constitutional under certain conditions, and the first concern is that the individual poses an imminent threat of a violent attack against the united states. in other words, capture is not feasible, and the operation is done according to law or principles. what this memo does, which is not something that has been public, is flesh that out and provide details about what they mean by that, and one of those striking points is when they get to defining imminent threat. they talk about a broader -- the memo explicitly says that they have intelligence that the targeted individual is involved in an active plot against the united states. what they mean is that this individual may have been linked to or involved in threats in the past. there's no evidence they have renounced such activities, and, therefore, one can assume they are posing an imminent threat. it's -- it is a much more broad dance of definition of imindependence. >> and the chair of the senate intelligence committee, dianne feinstein, who said that she did receive this memo when congress first asked last year for better explanation, still wants to see the actual legal orders and the white house just told me they're not going to turn those over because they feel that that is basically lawyer-client privilege, privilege between the president's counsel in the justice department and him. the other thing here is she did defend the use of this for the killing of al alakhi in yemen because he was involved in supposedly the plot for the christmas bombing. >> look, there seems to be a consensus within government that he was a bad guy and that we were justified in taking him out. on the other hand, critics will say, he was an american citizen. he had never been charged with a crime. >> they may have been right about him, but what kind of precedent does that set down the road when maybe it's not president obama in office. others who might have -- even other ideas about who is a threat and who is not. >> mike, i know you're going to have more on this later on nightly news. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> and still ahead, the legendary actress and singer julie andrews. ♪ if you say it loud enough you'll always sound precocious ♪ [ man ] ring ring... progresso this reduced sodium soup says it may help lower cholesterol, how does it work? you just have to eat it as part of your heart healthy diet. step 1. eat the soup. 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julie. >> it is the 27th book in the series. actually, the 27th book we've written together and the fifth book in this particular series in the very fairy princess series. >> i'm not getting you on my mike. i'm so sorry. hello. >> it's good to see you again. >> can somebody fix that for me? while we fix your audio, emma, if you could talk about working with your mother and how this has evolved to this very successf successful. >> i think you can hear me now. >> lovely to see you. >> it's 15 years, andrea, that we've been writing together, if you can believe it, and people always ask how is it that a mother-daughter team, writing team, could work? they seem sort of disbelieving, but we've found it to be a very happy and -- >> organic, nice process. it's like playing in a wonderful sandbox together. we don't get involved with family issues. we just get involved with the books really. >> and stay creative and it's a great deal of mutual respect, and i think that helps, and the best idea wins. >> and this is also something very near and dear to our hearts because we talk about violence in video games. these are books. these are books for little girls and boys. no violence to develop the habit of reading themselves or being read to, and that is such an important part of family relationships. >> yes. it's a huge responsibility to write for children because you better get it right, because it is for children, and hopefully it might influence them for the rest of their lives. i mean, who doesn't remember the book that made the difference when they were young? this particular series is something of a misnomer because it's not your typical princess book. it's really about celebrating individuality and authenticity and little gerry, the very fairy princess, thinks she's a fairy princess, but, many of the, it's really about her inner sparkle, more than her outer spark and what she shares with the world and how she helps her friends and so forth. >> this is just a fifth in the series, and we've got more in the pipeline, and -- >> valentine's day. >> this just happens to be a valentine's day one. >> it's a valentine's days for us any time we get to see you, julie, and emma. >> i was looking back at a today show celebration of the 45th anniversary of "sound of music." this was two years ago. that was 47 years presumably. you were talking about what a family that group is. not just you, but all of those that played the children sfwloosh we keep in touch all the time, and we love each other very much, and it's kind of a very happy situation that we do all get on, and that we do still remember each other at christmas and birthdays and so on. i think of them so fondly because we worked very hard. >> and when i think about the range of your career now that ewe a kennedy honor for the kennedy honor, and you received a degree from yale university. i happened to be -- >> you were there. >> i was there for that and celebrating you. >> that's the first time we ever met, i think. >> i know. it was such a privilege to see you in that. i know you have done work for the united nations, for the state department internationally. what a career. do you have a favorite role, a favorite moment. >> i wish i could say that i did. every single thing that i have done has been either a learning experience or the most fun or the most wonderful director or a great guy to work with, and it's really hard. some of them do stand out. viktor victoria with blake. sob with blake, my husband. obviously sound of music. all of them for different rains. it's really hard to say which one. >> maybe mum. >> maybe mum. >> the author. >> well, for me they're all special and magic, but i'll never forget seeing you on broadway as a young girl brought by my dad to see eliza dolittle with rex harris. >> that kind of dates both of us, andrea, doesn't it? >> that's okay. that was a good period to be in. what is your message to those, julie and emma, who don't teach their kids the joy and love of reading. >> thank you for asking that question. >> joy is the keyword, andrea. i actually wrote a book about nurturing kids to be readers and raising kids to be readers. called raising book worms. it's about preserving the joy. so often we think, well, kids learn to read at school. i don't have to be responseible for that. they learn to love reading at home, and, therefore, it's really important that we as parents preserve the joy of reading by supporting them and reading things that speak to their hearts, books that they love. not necessarily, you know, always fiction. it can be nonfiction as well, and -- >> reading is from the earliest age possible. stoo reading aloud together as a family, and making sure that every aspect of it is a supportive and joyful process. >> i still treasure those moments with my mom getting our first library card and walking us to the library and browsing through the books, and -- >> that's just it. >> the moments that -- >> they are. those are the tactile pleasures. >> i hope they don't disappear. it's a wonderful world, and all those electronic mediums are helpful and needed, but i still think hold aing book in your hand is just so special. >> well, julie andrews and emma, it is really exciting to see both of you again. thank you so very much. the book, of course -- >> do it in person next time. >> the book is a very fairy princess, and a wonderful valentine's present indeed. >> much love. thank you. >> you too. >> which political story will make headlines in the next 24 hours? that's next right here on "andrea mitchell reports." c-max has a nice little trait, you see, c-max helps you load your freight, with its foot-activated lift gate. but that's not all you'll see, cause c-max also beats prius v, with better mpg. say hi to the all-new 47 combined mpg c-max hybrid. >>> so which political story will be making headlines in 24 hours. a lot going on. chris cillizza is back with us. seems the president is going to israel, first trip as president. we're expecting this before the passover holiday. he and netanyahu have talked about this apparently so we're getting more information. i think jeff goldberg may have been the first to tweet this out, our friend, but this is a long awaited trip. >> after the israeli election and john kerry as secretary of state. a lot of movement in the region. >> well, it was very interesting that kerry's, john kerry's first calls over the weekend included mahmoud abbas and shimon perez making it clear they want to reengage in the second term and fits with the president going, had been an election issue, as well. i want to just quickly show you something which we want to talk about more tomorrow. mike rodgers had to run but he will be with us but this was just posted today by official state television in north korea. it is supposed to be a little boy's dream. it's to the music of "we are the world." it is incredibly bizarre as north korea plans what intelligence sources here suspect is going to be the next nuclear underground blast and shows them basically sending a missile and setting off a nuclear bomb in new york city. and this is this wonderful fantasy dream of this north korean child. >> well -- >> as mike rodgers told us back in december, the administration has to focus on north korea and they know it, in fact. >> no question. this is the first i'm seeing of it but golly talk about unsettling. president obama talking about the sequester. obviously important. the economy obviously important but the challenges before us, middle east. north korea. iran. are significant. they don't get as much attention. i know they do on your shownd rightly but not as much attention in the broader political world but in many ways as if not more daunting than the challenges we face domestically relating to the economy. it's a difficult time to be president and difficult time to be secretary of state. difficult time to be a member of congress. >> indeed it is. chris, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> always great to get our fix. that does it for us. tomorrow on the show, congressman elijah cummings talking about his new gun control legislation and mike rodgers back and follow the show online and twitter. buy your child a book. my colleague tamron hall has a look at what's next. hi, tamron. >> hi, andrea. great to see you. in the next hour, we are following developing news. >> your economy right now is headed in the right direction. and it will stay that way as long as there aren't anymore self inflicted wounds out of washington. >> it is time for the president to offer his ideas about how to replace the sequester. >> the back and forth over those automatic spending cut that is are just three weeks away. nbc's first read team says the gop just wants to talk about the budget but the president does not want to get bogged down on one issue. >>> latest on justice department memo obtained by nbc news that makes the case for legal drone strikes against americans. >>> an i'll talk with democratic congressman adam schiff about the new proposal to make it easier to sue gun makers and gun dealers. wow, that's a lot of shrimp. 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oval office in addition to the real one, a copy where the president will look like he's still working in the real one but he'll be in the fake one. get today the white house press secretary was asked about the story for the third time since it was published last week. and here's where he shut it is down. >> i can say the reports of a replica oval office are false. no one is moving from the west wing, certainly no decisions about that have been made and not in any time frame that -- >> you said moving from the west wing, including the president? >> including the president. >> and renovations may be made? >> for what kinds of -- you guys have looked around and seen there's constant work being undertaken but i don't have anything specific, because of the description of an alleged replica oval office, i can tell you that is false. false, he says. in other words, false. now, problem or at least complication. the reporter for "real clear politics" is sticking by her story. sheep said the only reason the without is calling it false is because they object to the word replica. which is it? is there a plan to build a second temporary oval office where president obama will work during construction temporarily? the white house -- the reporter says -- we say at least for now we're going to need a new sound effect. >> huh? >> huh? i think we still need a new sound effect. that one kind of sucked. we'll get a new one and keep you posted. now it's time for "the last word with lawrence o'donnell." >> bobby jindal failed miserably as the official republican responder to the first respond to to the presidential address. marco rubio will be the next republican to do the response next week. >> the president has developed a strategy. >> that includes gun, immigration and the looming budget war. >> washington has to deal with its spending problem. sfwlt republican party just isn't there. >> there are things the republican party can do. >> trying to put some new paint on the brand. >> they're going for a full makeover. >> hi, i'm marco rubio. >> marco rubio will be delivering the republican response. >> makes sense. >> we have to identify our principles. >> the response to the state of the union. >> that's hard work. >> bobby jindal did it. >> good evening and happy mardi gras. >> he's still recovering. >> health care, taxes, the economy. >> that takes time to explain to people. >> the republican party just isn't there. >> washington has to deal with its spending problem. >> that may take more than one election cycle. >> i've had enough of it. it's time to act. >> get used to this new word. >> the sequester. >> the sequester. >> the sequester. >> i don't like the sequester. >> something so terrible. >> dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria! >> slow down. >> we've got immigration, gun control, electoral changes. >> it's time for them to exert a little leadership. >> we have to identify our principles. that takes time to explain to people. >> i've had enough of it. it's time to act. >>> john boehner announced today that marco rubio will deliver the republican response to president obama's state of the union address on tuesday. rubio aides are busy trying to spread the nonsense that he will write his own speech. senator rubio did an interview with buzz feed last night while drinking beer, a necessary proof to political reporters that you're a regular guy. >> what we have to do is identify those principles and turn those into policies that speak for the 2 1s century. >> marco rubio seems to think republicanism is so wicked complicated that it takes like years to teach. >> to convince people that what we stand for, that free nt prize and limited government is the best way to create the condition for their dreams to be possible. that's hard work. that takes time to explain to people, it may take more than one election cycle. >> it sounds like it's going to take more than 12 minutes after a state of the union address to teach america this very, very complicated thing that free enterprise is good for you. >> they've been trying for a long time and americans just aren't getting it. that's the problem. i went back and reread mitch daniel's speech -- i'm not like guys, i don't just remember it word for word. i have o go back and read it. the problem is not the rhetoric. the rhetoric in his speeches very moderate, he said an opposition must offer not just criticism of failures but a positive and credible plan to make love better. it sounds a lot like the rebranding that they're trying to do now. the problem is not the things that they're saying. the problem is the things that they stand for and marco rubio in particular, i'm really pleased that he's putting himself out there on immigration, it is a politically courageous move but on every other issue, he's very far to the right. including he voted against the fiscal cliff deal. >> but he is good about sounding reasonable. i want to listen to something else he said about a false choice about government. >> it's the false choice that's out there. you're either for big government or no government. government all has a role to play. i believe government has a role to play in financial aid. i never would have gone to school without federal financial aid. can't have a vibrant free enterprise system if there isn't a safety net to catch people who have tried and failed and we're too prosperous a nation and too compassionate a people not to help people who can't help themselves. >> no romney echo there. >> they have learned one important lesson from the campaign, which was they got so caught up in the rhetoric of their own donor circle, as opposed to their own voters -- this is really troop. they actually thought this is what voters wanted it hear. the iconic moment of course is the 47% moment when mitt romney is talking to his donor class, but they actually embody that. a very small percent and of americans are small business owners. most people earn wages for a living. so they have learned and marco rubio i think is quite a deft politician. they have learned the lesson to not just listen to their donor class and tell the story their donor class wants to hear if they want to win national elections. the problem is people aren't totally easily hoodwinked. the question is what you deliver on and the votes right now i think are mostly the same. the whole idea that eric cantor and marco has is we can change the rhetoric, stop giving this blatantly offensive vision of america as makers and makers, which nobody likes. i think that will help at the margins but the deeper problem is there are actual interests at play, social benefits people care about and actual rights people want to defend that have to be delivered on. >> there's the trick on the rubio statement, he speaks about federal financial aid for education but he and his party want to cut it and that's the part he didn't say. >> and he talks about the safety net in general and how we have to protect it but you can't frank luns your way out of this. you can't call it a death panel or chang the way you're talking about these things without fundamentally changing the policies that you're talking about here and that's the issue. they have this sort of no-win situation where if they move too far from where they've been, they're in danger of losing people on the right, they're in danger of these ugly primary battles, they're trying to avoid that. at the same time, they're trying to piece back together a national coalition, which frankly right now they do now have. >> the optic of tuesday night, bobby jindal got wiped out, it set back his career years, he is still trying to climb up to where he was back then. i think marco rubio run as very similar risk. the cosmetics on him are odd because it can read well some of of the things he has but there are times when he looks 12 years old and he could look like a very tiny character after a presidential address. >> you don't ever have that problem, do you? >> no, no, of course not. i know nothing about that. appearing without gravitas? that is completely alien to me. it's a fascinating institution, the state of the union response. on one level it's so high profile. on the other level, it's pretty much set up to fail. can you not compete with the pomp and circumstances of the commander in chief, of the president of the united states. everything always looks like an after thought, which is what it is. we didn't used to have these. this is a modern incarnation after lobbying for balance. i think marco rubio is a gifted politician. i think there's a fascinating investment in the personage of rubio. he's able to square a circle the republicans faced. they have to get right with latino voters and here is lo and behold marco rubio and he can be the one person and he is selling himself that way pipts the problem of the coalition. it's the problem of who are republicans and what do they stand for. one individual, however powerful his rhetoric and symbolism, won't be able to do what they believe they can. >> a character cannot replace a policy. >> thank you both for joining me tonight. >> coming up, chris christie is now amazingly in day three of answering questions about his weight, questions that are getting tougher and stranger. and there is no evidence tonight that if chris christie runs for president, he will be running against hillary clinton. and are you afraid of ashley judd? of course not. who are afraid of ashley judd? turns out karl rove and mitch mcconnell are afraid of ashley judd. and the story of a politician who did the right thing, even though he knew it would cost him politically, even though he saw his father's political career end because his father did the right thing. the rarest thing in poll tex is in tonight's rewrite, political bravery. and be sure to like us on facebook, please. this is begging you're hearing right now. they told me to beg you about this. please like us on 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if she wants to come to new jersey and review my medical history, i'll have a conversation with her about that. until that time, she should shut up. >> i find it fascinating that bill clinton's white house physician was a republican. what the -- >> who knew? and she had such a close relationship with him, too. it's get so long interesting for kr christie. this has become an issue that has traction. the doctor probably shouldn't have said die in office, find another way to phrase that but this is a real thing, it's not going away. >> in spite of his righteous indignation, you don't have to be a genius to diagnose that he is seriously overweight. the diagnosis is pretty clear. we live in a world where presidents release their full medical records, where they face real records about their health, their ability to survive four years in office and crucially, if you are in his situation, the health of the vice presidential pick. he could run a completely different campaign where the vice president is almost looked at as someone who will have a reasonable chance of going into office but that's not the kind of presidential run you really want to have. >> karen finney, i think we have safely say that hillary clinton has not had a facelift, that what we saw there was kind of a little photo shopping. i believe my head shot has been touched at at my instruction trying to fix all sorts of problems that i have there. >> can you blame her for not wanting to have a picture that actually showed the wear and tear of the last 20 years or at least the last hundred and some many miles she's traveled as secretary of state? i mean, of course she wanted to look good. hello! i mean, who wouldn't want to. i find it fascinating, though, that yet again fox news, that's the best they can do. really? it's time to get a life. every little thing that hillary does -- i'm surprised they didn't accuse her of changing her hair style. if you'll notice it was flipped under, whereas in the benghazi hearing, it was flipped that way. >> let's listen to something chuck todd said this morning on the "today" show about hillary clinton. >> i want to say a web site is just a web site but if you click on the information button, look at the information they want you from, your e-mail, a way to get back to you. something tell mees me that dat just not going to go away. you can say it's the very beginnings the structures should be put in place should she decide to do it. >> they just want some contact information. >> the fact you roll this out straight after doing 12 gazillion interviews, it's just a coincidence. >> in fairness, she is a former first lady, a former senator, a former secretary of state, there is a lot of interest about whatwhat she's going to do? there's no shame in having a little web site and saying if you want to give us your information, we'll let you know. if she doesn't run for president and she launches some big initiative, that is very good p.r. for her. >> the krischristie versus hill phenomenon, it's getting the most attention in this situation. to what extent are you guessing at this point that one is eyeing the other as the possible debate partner in a general election? >> well, if they have presidential ambitions and they both clearly do, then you are trying to size up the opposition. but let's just be clear. one of them has a reasonably clear path to the nomination and the other really doesn't. and chris christie has to somehow figure out how he gets to the general election phase to have that kind of debate. for hillary clinton, if she chooses to do this, it's a much different path. >> karen, i'm starting to wonder about christie, just in today's response to this thing about the weight. now, that was a pretty obscure interview on television that he then raised into this much bigger thing with this very passionate reaction. it doesn't seem like he's quite practiced in the presidential campaign level of this kind of thing where you have to be very careful about what you comment on because you make it a bigger story. >> i think one of the things we know about chris christie is he does not have thick skin. this is not the first time when someone's made a comment about his weight that he's sort of overreacted, overresponded, if you will. i agree with you guys that i wish dr. connie hadn't made the comment about dying in office. she's a great doctor. i personally follow her advice. this is a woman who knows what she's talking about. he can say what he wants in front of the cameras and he's probably make ak fair point. and he makes an issue of it all the time. he's pointed out the fact he believes he needs to lose weight. he's had moments where he's said of course i'm overweight, of course i need to lose weight. he's going to have to get a better answer and stick with it. >> thank you for joining me tonight. >> republicans are so scared about ashley judd running against mitch mcconnell that they're already attacking her and she's not even running yet. and the rarest thing in politics, a story of political bravery. i've never seen before. this ge jet engine can understand 5,000 data samples per second. which is good for business. because planes use less fuel, spend less time on the ground and more time in the air. suddenly, faraway places don't seem so...far away. ♪ if we took the nissan altima and reimagined nearly everything in it? 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intern who helped save gabby giffords' life and author of the new memoir "they call me a hero." zach walls, are you in a broadway play or something? >> absolutely not. >> i'm getting the feeling you know something about this scouts thing. >> that's right. i'm an eagle scout. >> an eagle scout is like what? it's like a general or something? >> it's the highest youth award can you get in the scouts. >> this is absolutely something what we were a little disappointed about, our organization scouts for equality has been working on this for the last several months. we thought while today's announcement was punting the ball, if they had the votes to shoot it down, they would have done that today. >> daniel, were you a scout? >> no, i was like you, one of those punks. >> the uniforms were awesome. >> i think the decision today is a victory in and of itself because we didn't get a straight no. >> that's the interesting part. they've been pretty hard line about this. >> zach, your mothers are gay. >> that's right. >> and you joined this organization knowing that they would not let your mothers be involved, say, on the girl scouts side as a troop leader or something. >> i joined this program when i was 6 years old because i wanted to experience the great outdoors and all that stuff. my moms did get involved. it was a don't ask/don't tell policy and the leaders in iowa where i was growing up were willing to turn a blind eye. my mom, jackie, became a den mother, a mama grizzly, if you will and was a highly revered leader. so they were part of the scouting experience and i saw first hand there's no incongruence with scouting values in lgbt people. people who are trying to speak out about lifting this ban, it's not about the boy scouts. it's about the problem they have with people who are gay, people who save people's lives, people like my mom who work for the veterans affairs hospitals and protect the men and women in uniform. >> daniel, for those of us who live outside of boy scout world, what does it mean to the larger community, do you think? >> i think it's one of the larger parts of sea change? acceptance of the the community. we are mainstream america. we put our pants on one leg at a time just like everybody else. >> he puts short pants on. look, if you show up like that, there's going to be jokes. >> absolutely. >> i think it goes towards saying people in the lbgt community are like everybody else. it's a symbolic step but it's an important one. our kids want to be involved in these issues as well. >> 63% of catholics supported raising the ban, we've had from the episcopalian change-up, the united states of christ, it's only a couple of people on the fringe speaking out against it. >> you've lived through tragedy of having your life changed by a mass murderer, well equipped by our firearms strained by our laws that allow such easy access to it. you also have congressional experience. where do you think we're going with president obama's attempt to push through some reforms? >> i think it's so encouraging to see such bold moves coming from the obama administration as we've seen, not just on this issue but on the issue of immigration, to see him coming out and saying strongly -- >> by the way, at the same time. >> at the same time, which is something i think a lot of people never would have expected. but to see him coming out and starting this task force. as a young elected official, i was so struck by what happened in sandy hook. i lived through tucson but for a long time i said i'm not going to get involved in this issue, this is not going to be something i'm going to politicize. but we saw aurora, but when it hit close to home, when it was our children, our most vulnerable, that's when it started. and seeing gabby saying we need to be brave and america is counting on you, that was a message for all of our elected officials up and down from the state house all the way to the white house. >> zach, on this issue, it's a children's protection issue that the democrats are trying to frame. it seems like the kind of thing that the boy scouts would want to get behind, for example. but they've really -- what they're trying to say here is how much risk should be involved in going to kindergarten in america? >> none. absolutely none. just like there shouldn't be any risk in being a boy scout. when i look at these kinds of sporadic massacre, people who have been support for looking over the last 10, 15 years, young adults who are not properly prepared for the life experiences of being a person who has a lot of responsibility. i think as a society we have a very serious question to ask ourselves about how are we preparing our least experienced adults to deal with the pressures and tribulations of modern society absolutely. >> and, daniel, the way this -- you made the point about immigration and gun control at the same time. it's hard to explain to civilians. how difficult it is in the congressional pipeline to move two things at once. >> to move anything. >> anything at all. >> when we looked at the last session, it was one of the most unproductive congresses. so to see the president says these are such important issues that i know i can get people on my side, including republicans, when we saw that gang of eight republicans and democrats in the senate saying we're going to take on immigration, including people from my state, senators johnson mccain and jeff lake, that's an encouraging thing. the gun safety thing is more important. coming from a state like arizona where we have a gun culture, it's not about taking people's guns away, it's about imposing common sense changes to legislation to background checks and to making sure we're reducing the easy availability of assault weapons and extended magazines. these are not things when you go hunting. they are not things you need for self-defense. >> zach walls, thank you and thank you for joining us in the studio tonight. >> coming up, how afraid is 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version of what politicians have always done in both parties. one example i'll never forget is bill clinton desperately trying to separate himself from his own tax policy on his way to reelection. he actually told a texas crowd at a fund raiser in 1995, quote, probably there are people in this room still mad at me at that budget because you think i raised your taxes too much. it might surprise you to know that i think i raised them too much, too. i cannot tell you how much that comment outraged democrats in the house and senate who fought hard to pass the clinton tax increase, a bill that passed each chamber by exactly one vote. but, hey, that's what politic n politicians do, right, tell people what they want to hear, no matter what the truth is. the truth is not a factor in most political calculations by most politicians. when you see politicians doing the right thing, saying the right thing, it is almost always because their polling data tells them that the right thing also happens to be the politically convenient thing. there's nothing more rare in politics than a politician doing something he or she knows will cost politically, hurt in the polls. we saw president obama do that with health care reform, pushing it through congress with a majority of americans opposed to it in the polls. the president knew that would cost him support, but he did it anyway because he believed it was the right thing to do. a typical presidency doesn't include such political bravery about anything. most political careers never involve political bravery, never. so when we see it, we must salute it, we must encourage it or we risk never receiving it again. we saw it a few weeks ago, but many of us, including me, didn't realize we were seeing it at the time. we thought we were watching a smart politician take the lead on the national issue of the day and do the right thing in a way that would benefit him politically. but now that he's dropped 15 points in the polls after doing that, we now know that what we saw was one of those rare outbreaks of political bravery. new york's governor andrew cuomo pushed through tough new gun and ammunition control legislation with lightning speed and signed it into law on january 15th, just before doing that his approval rating in new york was at 74% in the quinnipiac university poll. in their latest poll, their government's approval has dropped 15 points. maurice carol, a long-time new york political observer said the "new york times" "gun control clearly, clearly has a big impact on his serious dip in the job approval." when asked about his drop in the polls, the governor told reporters we are not here to duck the tough issues, we are here to take on the tough issues and that is exactly what politicians usually say when they are actually ducking the tough issues. the largest drop in the poll for andrew cuomo was among republicans. andrew cuomo had 68 approval rate with republicans before the gun and ammunition legislation and now has a 44% approval rating with republicans, a 24-point drop. he dropped 16 points among independents, even among democrats governor cuomo dropped 8 points. he took an action he did not have to do that lost him political support across the board including in his own party. when questioned by reporters about his drop in the poll, governor cuomo gamely suggested the more people understood the new law, the better they're going to feel about it and presumably about him. but andrew cuomo knows well where political bravery can lead. his father was the popular three-term governor of new york who had been presumed to be the front-runner for the democratic nomination for president whenever he chose to run, which he never did. i thought mario cuomo was going to be governor forever until one day in a senate elevator the most colorful character in the building told me otherwise the then republican senator alfonse d'amato was the senate's fish out of water, the guy who just didn't fit in with all the elegant pin stripes and cuff links and smooth talkers. think joe pesce in "my cousin vinny" now set that movie in the senate and you have al d'amato. he could be fun, he could be wild, he once sang songs on the senate floor. he was great to have on your side when fighting for things that new york needed but he was a fierce opponent, the most ruthless in the senate. and so when he grabbed me, literally grabbed me by the lapels in the senate elevator, just the two of us and vented his latest rage against mario cuomo, i knew mario was in trouble. al said he was going to get mario. now, i'm not going to quote al here because i have to clean this up a lot to get it past the msnbc censors. he wasn't grabbing my lapel because he was mad at me. he was mad at mario. he was talking to me because he liked me and confiding in me and letting me see his rage was his way of letting me know he thought i was a good guy. i get that part. al said he was going to get mario, he was going to run against him for governor or find someone to run against mario and get mario on tax's and the death penalty. he found george pataki and run him against cuomo on the death penalty. all he had to do was give something on the death penalty, say he was in the favor of death penalty in the case of koch killers. it was a pure live academic point. new york had not executed anyone in 31 years and after the pro-death penalty unknown george pataki beat the great mario cuomo and became governor, new york state still never executed anyone. but it wasn't an academic point to mario cuomo, it was a moral principle. changing his opinion on the death penalty in any way was the thing mario cuomo would not do, could not do to win an election. as george pataki overtook mario cuomo in the poll, the pressure to say something new about the death penalty became intense on the governor. he was fighting for his political life. veteran new york political reporter gabe pressman at a cuomo campaign stop asked the governor if he would rather actually lose than change his mind on the death penalty. >> my position has always been the same. the death penalty is wrong. the death penalty degrade. the death penalty doesn't defer anybody, it cost as lot of money. it's unfair. it's killed innocent people. life in prison without parole is the better solution. i have said it a thousand times. i lost to ed koch in '77, people said it was because of the death penalty. my mother asked me to give up the position. i'm going to die with the position. it could kill me in this election people say. okay. >> are you ready to take that? >> nobody wants to lose, i want to win. there's a lot i want to do for this state, things like this pier, we can do all sorts of wonderful things and i'm better equipped to do it. but if i were to give away my soul on this issue, no new yorker would want me. no new yorker should want me. the one thing you should get from your politicians and we don't get them from all politicians is the truth. at least let this bum tell me the truth. >> at least let this bum tell me the truth. mario cuomo was a politician. he didn't always tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth. he spun things like other politicians do sometimes, but on this hugely important issue, this political issue, this moral issue, this life-or-death issue, the death penalty, mario cuomo never considered telling voters anything but the truth about his moral and practical opposition to the death penalty and he kept telling that truth knowing that it was costing him the election. the gubernatorial campaign of 1994 turned out to be mario cuomo's last hurrah. he held on to his soul in that campaign but he lost the governorship. and now there is another governor cuomo in albany with the political bravery to do the right thing on gun and ammunition control knowing that it hurts him politically. and us cuomo watchers are not surprised. this is so sick! i can't believe your mom let you take her car out. this is 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